Shower and toilet enclosure thread

[Scott Brady]

There have been a few discussion about shower and potty tents in various threads, so I thought it would be a good idea to pull it all together here:


VikingVince:
"Re the PahaQue privy shelter...it's nice but also check out the P.E.T.T. shelter. The Pett shelter goes up ALOT faster because the rods (shock cords) are built right in on hinges and the shelter just folds open and closes down quickly....although I think the PahaQue has a few more bells and whistles. I have a large PahaQue ScreenRoom and love it but it is time intensive to put up. (not a fair comparison to the privy I know) Cabelas also has a very nice privy shelter for $99 but it looks time intensive also. I've been in one and they're really roomy (4.5 sq ft base) and nice but haven't seen them set up or taken down. At this point you may think that a few more minutes to put up and take down is no big deal...but the more you're out there, the less hassle and more EASE of setting up and taking down anything becomes more desirable...especially on one-night stops."


Expeditionswest:
"Vince is absolutely correct about the shower enclosures. After a few days, Steph and I got pretty quick with the Tepee, but it is definitely a two person job. Maybe 3-4 minutes. The greatest advantage of the Tepee is the design when deployed. Thick rods support the tent, and can even support you if you need to hold on while putting on socks or whatever. There are two internal gear storage netting units. One for shower items like soap and shampoo, and another that hangs high in the top, which you can store your clean, dry clothes in. There are also zippered access points on the sides, which allow you to bring in shower heads, access towels, etc.

One of the other cool things is the horizontal poles on the outside, which allows you to hang towels and dry clothes you have washed"

Pahaque Tepee
http://www.pahaque.com/imagelib/tepee.jpg

The PETT System
http://mirror.altrec.com/images/shop/photos/PET/9613_l.jpg

Vince had this cool shower deck (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0014094511007a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=No=20&noImage=0&Ntt=shower&Ntk=Products&QueryText=shower&Ntx=matchall&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=4887&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.22&returnPage=search-results1.jsp) in Baja. I need to get one :). I was using my spearfishing fins to stand on.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/10/07/i511007sq01.jpg

This is the big daddy Vince talked about from Cabelas:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/68/73/i516873sq02.jpg
It does weigh 23 pounds though :smilies27

I also considered this Outback unit (http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/porta_privy.htm): no set-up
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/59/07/96/i590796sq01.jpg

This should make for a good start :)

[DaktariEd]

Thanks, Scott,
This is good info. Thanks for pulling it together here.
Which brings up a question on the Diablo trip re: toilets etc.
Are there rules/regs about waste disposal on the trip? For certain areas only?
What do you recommend?
:confused:
Ed

[Scott Brady]

Good question Ed,

Del Diablo is not a pack it out area (like the Rubicon), so use the following guidelines.

Leave No Trace (http://www.lnt.org/main.html), Center for Outdoor Ethics:

Dispose of Waste Properly Minimize Human Impacts
Human Waste: Proper disposal of human waste is important to avoid pollution of water sources, avoid the negative implications of someone else finding it, minimize the possibility of spreading disease, and maximize the rate of decomposition.

In most locations, burying human feces in the correct manner is the most effective method to meet these criteria. Solid human waste must be packed out from some places, such as narrow river canyons. Land management agencies can advise you of specific rules for the area you plan to visit.

Contrary to popular opinion, research indicates that burial of feces actually slows decomposition (at least in the Rocky Mountains). Pathogens have been discovered to survive for a year or more when buried. However, in light of the other problems associated with feces, it is still generally best to bury it. The slow decomposition rate causes the need to choose the correct location, far from water, campsites, and other frequently used places.

Catholes: Catholes are the most widely accepted method of waste disposal. Locate catholes at least 200 feet (about 70 adult steps) from water, trails and camp. Select an inconspicuous site where other people will be unlikely to walk or camp. With a small garden trowel, dig a hole 6-8 inches deep and 4-6 inches in diameter. The cathole should be covered and disguised with natural materials when finished. If camping in the area for more than one night, or if camping with a large group, cathole sites should be widely dispersed.

Perhaps the most widely accepted method of backcountry human waste disposal is the cathole. The advantages are:

they are easy to dig in most areas.
they are easy to disguise after use.
they are private.
they disperse the waste rather than concentrate it (which enhances decomposition).
it is usually easy to select an out of the way location where you can be certain no one is going to casually encounter the cathole.
Selecting a Cathole Site:

Select a cathole site far from water sources, 200 feet (approximately 70 adult paces) is the recommended range.
Select an inconspicuous site untraveled by people. Examples of cathole sites include thick undergrowth, near downed timber, or on gentle hillsides.
If camping with a group or if camping in the same place for more than one night, disperse the catholes over a wide area; don t go to the same place twice.
Try to find a site with deep organic soil. This organic ma al contains organisms which will help de pose the feces. (Organic soil is usually dark and rich in color.) Refer to the jars used to demonstrate decomposition. The desert does not have as much organic soil as a forested area. (See number 2 under Digging a Cathole below.)
If possible, locate your cathole where it will receive maximum sunlight. The heat from the sun will aid decomposition.
Choose an elevated site where water would not normally during runoff or rain storms. The idea here is to keep the feces out of water. Over time, the decomposing feces will percolate into the soil before reaching water sources.
Digging a Cathole:

A small garden trowel is the perfect tool for digging a cathole.
Dig the hole 6-8 inches deep (about the length of the trowel blade) and 4-6 inches in diameter. In a hot desert, human waste does not biodegrade easily because there is little organic soil to help break it down. In the desert, the cathole should be only 4-6 inches deep. This will allow the heat and sun to hasten the decay process.
When finished, the cathole should be filled with the original dirt and disguised with native materials.
Catholes in Arid Lands: A cathole is the most widely accepted means of waste disposal in arid lands. Locate catholes at least 200 feet (about 70 adult steps) from water, trails, and camp. Avoid areas where water visibly flows, such as sandy washes, even if they are dry at the moment. Select a site that will maximize exposure to the sun in order to aid decomposition. Because the sun s heat will penetrate desert soils several inches, it can eventually kill pathogens if the feces are buried properly. South-facing slopes and ridge tops will have more exposure to sun and heat than other areas.

Latrines: Though catholes are recommended for most situations, there are times when latrines may be more applicable, such as when camping with young children or if staying in one camp for longer than a few nights. Use similar criteria for selecting a latrine location as those used to locate a cathole. Since this higher concentration of feces will decompose very slowly, location is especially important. A good way to speed decomposition and diminish odors is to toss in a handful of soil after each use. Ask your land manager about latrine-building techniques.

Toilet Paper: Use toilet paper sparingly and use only plain, white, non-perfumed brands. Toilet paper must be disposed of properly! It should either be thoroughly buried in a cathole or placed in plastic bags and packed out. Natural toilet paper has been used by many campers for years. When done correctly, this method is as sanitary as regular toilet paper, but without the impact problems. Popular types of natural toilet paper include stones, vegetation and snow. Obviously, some experimentation is necessary to make this practice work for you, but it is worth a try! Burning toilet paper in a cathole is not generally recommended.

Toilet Paper in Arid Lands: Placing toilet paper in plastic bags and packing it out as trash is the best way to Leave No Trace in a desert environment. Toilet paper should not be burned. This practice can result in wild fires.

Tampons: Proper disposal of tampons requires that they be placed in plastic bags and packed out. Do not bury them because they don t decompose readily and animals may dig them up. It will take a very hot, intense fire to burn them completely.

Urine: Urine has little direct effect on vegetation or soil. In some instances urine may draw wildlife which are attracted to the salts. They can defoliate plants and dig up soil. Urinating on rocks, pine needles, and gravel is less likely to attract wildlife. Diluting urine with water from a water bottle can help minimize negative effects.

Special Considerations for River Canyons: River canyons often present unique Leave No Trace problems. The most common practice is to urinate directly in the river and pack out feces in sealed boxes for later disposal. Check with your land manager for details about specific areas.

[calamaridog]

I bought the PETT toilet and I love it.

I bought a tent similar (if not identical) to the PETT tent (but very inexpensive) on clearance. Same design. It is very difficult and time consuming to set up. (EDIT:I also noticed the tent they have is different than mine, although it looks the same, they advertise it as a fast set up design. Sorry for the confusion.)

I like the idea of the instant Outback tent which could be taken down quickly if the wind picks up.

[Brian McVickers]

I've got an awesome solution - The Insta Tent!
These are designed by Black Stump Trading Co from Australia.

The two jpg's attached are scans of the brochure. In the upper right hand corner of the first page you will see the Shower Tent.
These things pack up to about the size of a 3"x12" tube. All the poles have a line that runs through them and comes out to a common point at the top. At the top is one cord with a locking mechanism so all you do is lay the tent on the ground and pull the cord to lock then press the mechanism to unlock and fold up for storage. Setup probably takes less than 60 seconds!

So here is the problem - I met these guys from Australia last fall at the Outdoor Retailer Summer Show. They told me all about their tents and did a demonstration and I walked away with their brochure. Now thier website is not opperative and any google search I try comes up with nothing!

So somewhere out there is a really cool solution for a shower tent if anyone can find them!


Edit -- can't seem to upload the attachment, sorry!

[DaktariEd]

Thanks, Scott!

Excellent work!
I knew I knew I could count on you to be full of...errr...information!
:D

Ed

[flyingwil]

What is everone doing for the potty portion?

My wife and I do the old construction worker's trick... an old bucket with an old toilet seat attached. What goes in comes out, by reataching the bucket lid. But it is time to update this system.

Wil

[calamaridog]

I like the PETT system and the Wag Bags. Many people just buy the Wag Bags and use them with their system.

http://www.thepett.com/


I also noticed the tent they have is different than mine, although it looks the same, they advertise it as a fast set up design. Sorry for the confusion.

[Ursidae69]

I just bought a case of Wag Bags, I'll be in canyon country next weekend and will have to pack it out. This will be my first experience with Wag Bags, I'll post what I think in a couple weeks after the trip.

[Desertdude]

Wag bags = never leave home without them ;) I have the PETT fold out toilet and the pack - but this is too bulky for travel IMHO

I like the PETT tent for its ease of set up - but they did not design a zipper in the window area to alow for shower equipment to enter into the tent - since I am a brute I just ripped a hole in the window screen - I am thinking of checking into the outback one as another option - can't have too many tents:)

[OverlandZJ]

Does the Pahaque Teepee have a floor? The pic seems to show one, i cant figure why i'd want one with a shower base.

Had a bad experience (wind) with a cheaper shower enclosure over the 4th, and am looking for an upgrade.

[Scott Brady]

Does the Pahaque Teepee have a floor? The pic seems to show one, i cant figure why i'd want one with a shower base.

It is optional, and has a threaded drain. I just use bio-degreadable soap and my spearfishing fins for the floor. I do want to pick up one of the nice wood floors.



Had a bad experience (wind) with a cheaper shower enclosure over the 4th, and am looking for an upgrade

:eek: :xxrotflma

[OverlandZJ]

Thank You Scott... are these worth the $200?

Dont have Husky or other rubber floor mats? Thats what i currently use, since i cant afford swim fins. :D :shakin:

[Scott Brady]

It is an expensive shower. For me, I am gone so much that the investment is worth it. It is a tent that can last years of hard use. It is also very stable, and you can actually hold onto the inside poles while drying your feet :D

[atavuss]

Last week I ordered the large Cabela's shower enclosure that Scott shows in the first post of this thread along with a PET toilet and wag bags. we were going to try them out this weekend but I took a nasty tumble out of my boat yesterday so will have to see if I am healed enough by the end of this week. also ordered a double and deluxe tent cot as well.
last year we were using a cheapo shower/toilet enclosure that was only about 3' square along with a Coleman porty potti, hopefully these will get sold at the next garage sale.

[Coachgeo]

For the toilet side (little off topic of showers but.. its about Tents)
I sell the PETT system as close to cost plus a little as I can. But... that being said if you got the time to spare and an extra hand.... save the money and buy a cheaper toilet tent. PETT is a GREAT TENT buttt... it's cost will buy you a lot of Poo Powder. (I sell that too... shameless plug but hey.. your supporting an member right:victory: )

If you camp somwhat secluded you might even consider a long rain style Poncho for cover while sitting on the Royal Throne of your choice. Just put on the poncho. Pull your drawers have a seat and read your favorite 4x4 magazine. If it's long enough then it Keeps mosquitos off your legs too.

Now back on topic- Showers- JC Whitney sells some inexpensive enclosures. You can make them out of PVC, shower rings, etc. Have seen homebrews that attach to roof racks, trailer sides, roll cages etc.

The most cost effective well that is easy.... a reasonabl costing swim suit!!! Who needs curtains.

Now for THE BEST all around..... swim trunks and a kids inflatalbe pool filled with filtered lake water via a 12v RV pump, heated via a heat exchanger from engine coolant. TADAAAA all natural Jacuzi (sorta). Great for club trips. Just watch out for drunks and other peoples wives, especialy when the swim suit is the cheapest type (provided by nature):smileeek: :smilies27 :sunflower

[Nullifier]

Well I ordered a Pett system this week. Looking Forward to It's arrival.

[Nullifier]

Well My complete Pett system got here today. This thing is the ****!!! (pun intended) Toilet, canopy, wagg bags and case. I have to say I was a bit of a skeptic when ordering this. The quality is good and set up of the canopy is easy. Probably a few more steps to setting up and breaking down camp then I would like but it is a neccesary thing for the wife.

Now I'm trying to decide on shower systems.

[Coachgeo]

....

Now I'm trying to decide on shower systems.The Pett tent should have a place built in it to hang a portable shower head.

[HenryJ]

...you might even consider a long rain style Poncho for cover while sitting on the Royal Throne of your choice. Just put on the poncho. Pull your drawers have a seat and read your favorite 4x4 magazine. If it's long enough then it Keeps mosquitos off your legs too. ...Another use for that signal orange poncho! Rain gear , biological threat ('skeeter) detering , emergency visual signaling , porta potty privacy device.

I like it! A true multi-functional item! :D
And under $3 :victory:

[OverlandZJ]

Quick search brought me back here...

Those with the Pett toilet, is it stable? Will it hold up to use from 225# users?

[Bergger]

I use the OUTBACK unit. I love it. Nothing to put together it practically sets itself up and is very compact and light weight. The guy lines hold it down nice but if it is windy I recommend using the sand bags that come with it. It also comes with a removable floor. Sportsmans Warehouse has it for $39.99.

http://image.basspro.com/images/images2/81000/81186.jpg

http://image.basspro.com/images/images2/81000/81189.jpg

[stevenmd]

I use the OUTBACK unit. I love it. Nothing to put together it practically sets itself up and is very compact and light weight. The guy lines hold it down nice but if it is windy I recommend using the sand bags that come with it. It also comes with a removable floor. Sportsmans Warehouse has it for $39.99.

http://image.basspro.com/images/images2/81000/81186.jpg

http://image.basspro.com/images/images2/81000/81189.jpg
What is the inside of that one like? Is there a place to hang up a hose/shower head? A place for shampoo/soap? What is the floor like?
Thanks

[Bergger]

What is the inside of that one like? Is there a place to hang up a hose/shower head? A place for shampoo/soap? What is the floor like?
Thanks

The floor is made of the same material as the sides. I've never used it but I believe it is attached using simple velcro connections. I would just wear sandals or use one of those folding wood floors instead of the one it comes with. There is a space to run a shower head in from the outside along with a couple of tie offs for it. There are a couple of clear plastic holders on the walls to place soap etc. For $39 it's not a bad product and once you figure out the correct way to fold it up it is very quick to tear down.

[Andrew Walcker]

Does anyone have experience with the Zodi shower enclosure?

[jnelson4x4taco]

I had an idea to put little tubes sticking out of a roofrack that you could slide in some PVC pipe and use some type of thumb screw to tighten it down. Then just use a normal shower curtain to put around it and voila! You could put another small pipe there to hold a solar shower bag or shower head. Are there things i am overlooking with this idea? I estimate it to cost around $10

EDIT: I just read coachgeo's post and saw that some people have done this, does anyone have pics of this or any experience with how they work?

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Here is my setup. I like it. Setup isn't really that quick like the others, however the quality is top notch. It also helps to have two people, but is not needed. I like the fact that it has an attached self draining floor, shelves and a towel rack. It doesn't take up much room in the tentrax


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ruffian05/100_0559.jpg


And here's the honey pot. The bags are very tidy and user friendly.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ruffian05/100_0560.jpg


If you look on the tongue box, you can see the bucket on the trail.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ruffian05/100_0592.jpg

[hoser]

They carry the PahaQue privy shelter/shower (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11158781&search=camping&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Mo=78&cm_re=1-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&Sp=S&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&N=0&whse=BC&ViewAll=79&Ntk=All&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=camping&Ntt=camping&No=14&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1) at Costco for $122 shipped.

http://content.costco.com//Images/Content/ProductLarge/124737LL_v.jpg

[spressomon]

They carry the PahaQue privy shelter/shower (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11158781&search=camping&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Mo=78&cm_re=1-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&Sp=S&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&N=0&whse=BC&ViewAll=79&Ntk=All&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=camping&Ntt=camping&No=14&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1) at Costco for $122 shipped.

http://content.costco.com//Images/Content/ProductLarge/124737LL_v.jpg



We've got the Paha too. It is the sturdiest, most rigid shower/shyter tent I've found...but kind of a hassle to assemble as the poles go up the inside of the tent through little loops; and if you're not REAL carefull you'll (I mean "I'll" ;)) poke right through the mesh top...go ahead ask me how I know this one!. If they would have just made full coverage pole sleeves it would assemble a whole lot easier/faster.

Then I bought one from Sportsman's Warehouse (same one that Cabela's carries)...that we demoed at SnT last November...and it assembles alot easier/quicker; has more room; has a nice ceiling hook that holds the shower head perfectly; etc. But it folds up like a circus tent if there is any breeze at all (you have to guy all corners out) and it uses multi-part steel (non-shock corded so that it takes even more patience and time to assemble...good thinking guys!) poles making the whole package large & heavy.

In other words there is still time and opportunity for someone to make one that is perfect!

[ckkone]

I'm ready to buy a shower shelter and thought I would bring this thread back to life. I went to Cabelas today and I like the one they sell becuase it has a floor and plenty of hooks and pockets inside. I've never owned a shower shelter and would like to buy the right one the first time. So if $$ wasn't a factor which would be best and why?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/68/73/i516873sn04.jpg

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0031110516873a&navCount=1&podId=0031110&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20075-cat20097&catalogCode=XH&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true

[Rockcrawler]

I'd be interested in hearing what people have to say about the Cabela's shower enclosure as well. I'm also considering the Zodi unit...

From looking back in this thread, it looks like the cabela's unit might be the same as the black canyon one that 24hoursofnevada uses.

[spressomon]

I have used the Cabela's shower enclosure. And I also own the Sportsman's Warehouse copy version. They both take too much time to assemble/disassemble unless you're setting it up for 4-5 days or more of camping (IMO). And if you're in windy conditions you better stake the entire enclosure down...

The one I have been using and really like over the other two I own is the spring steel collapsible Outback. It is super fast to setup and collapse...even for roaming expeditions where you're in a different camp each night. No it doesn't have a center hook in the ceiling but the quick set-up/tear-down makes up for it. As mentioned above I have the SW and also a PahaQue...but the Outback is the one that gets used now. Want to buy my others?

[ExpoMike]

Quick search brought me back here...

Those with the Pett toilet, is it stable? Will it hold up to use from 225# users?

Yes, I'm 240 and it's been tested at a high rate then that. No problems.

We were a little septical when we first ordered the PETT and P'UP tent but after using them on two trips, they rock. For my wife, there was no other way she would join me on trips without some form of a toliet. This fit the bill. I will say that the height of the toliet is lower then any current standard home toliets but you get used to it quickly.

As far as the PETT P'UP tent, it really is easy to setup. We set it up and tore it down in about 5 minutes on a lunch time potty stop. The biggest issue with most of these light weight tents is dealing with the wind. During this stop, I had to hold the poles from the upwind side or it would have blown away. Now this was in 15-20mph winds mind you.

[kcowyo]

Another Outback Porta Privy user here. Here's another great thread on toilet and shower enclosures - (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3261)

Can't beat the quick set up of the Outback. Literally seconds, once you free it from it's storage bag. Once you get the hang of folding it up, it packs away quickly too. The soap pockets, towel hanger, sunroof, shower head tie and removable floor make for some nice options in a $40 package.

I was on a trip once with a fella (who shall remain anonymous (http://www.markdstephens.com/)) and his $200 Paha Que shower tent blew away in a strong wind, even with the floor secured and the tent staked down. So I'm leary of spending too much on a tent that might 'disappear.'

Storing the large round Outback on the go is the only issue I have with it. It's not bad but I prefer the knocked down Pett tent, which folds up like a camping chair, over the big discus Outback. YMMV....

[MaddBaggins]

I was considering going with the PETT system. A huge plus is that it all goes into one case. Keeps gear organized. Plus get one of those wood floors from Cabelas and it becomes a potty/shower room. I'll be picking up a bug weed sprayer and adapting it for shower use. far cheaper than Zodi's.

[stevenmd]

I have spent countless hours reading and reading all the shower, toilet and enclosure threads & posts on soooooo many forums... I have narrowed it down to the PETT toilet which I will order from one of our forum sponsors.

Now I am trying to figure out what to do with for a shower and enclosure. We are a family of 6 - Suzi & I, 3 boys, and 1 daughter. I am thinking about buying one of these: http://www.survivalstore.com/r7s7lab2.html , then use a 2 gallon metal sprayer from ACE Hardware to heat up the water in. But I am still up in the air about that.

The biggest hurdle for me seems to be the shower/toilet enclosure. I need something that is quick to set up and take down for those potty breaks on the trail,:bike_rider: yet is strong enough to hold a shower head for 6 showers at the end of the day.:friday: Any suggestions on that one?

[ckkone]

Can anyone that owns an Outback shelter post some pics of the inside and outside? And, how do the water proof floor work, does it have a drain?

[Bergger]

Okay the wife was at work tonight so I was able to reach a new level of dorkdome. I set up the Outback privy in the house and took some quick pics for you. It is really easy to use and for $40 is great. I've used it for a total of about 14 days and it has held up well. I had it free standing and a strong gust of wind blew it away but it was retrieved undamaged. I then used the 4 guy lines to stake it in along with the 4 corner stakes and it did not move. Add the 4 sand bags and the thing will not go anywhere. It also has a glow in the dark zipper around the door so it can be seen at night. The only problem I had was the two interior pockets tore. They are not very sturdy and the kids tore them in their haste to grab the t.p. over a number of occassions. I simply cut them off.

This is everything it comes with, minus the storage bag. The shelter, floor, 4 sand bags, 8 stakes and bag. It all fits in the storage bag. The main storage bag has a side pouch for the stakes and sand bags.
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The hole on the back wall is for your shower head/hose.
17189

The floor is simply a blue tarp cut to shape. It is held in place by 8 velcro connectors. I have yet to use mine as a shower, only for a toilet, so I have never actually used the floor in the field. It seems to stay in place well though.
17190

The ceiling zips open, rolls up and is held open by elastic thingies, the strings on the back wall are to tie your shower head to. The side wall also zips open so you can reach out and retrieve your towel which is hung on a strap sewn to the out side of the wall.
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Outside view of the zipper and towel strap just below it.
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[ckkone]

Thanks! I like it and with the money saved I could get cedar decking to stand-on when taking a shower. Anyone using the cabela's shelter want to add their $.02?

[kcowyo]

The biggest hurdle for me seems to be the shower/toilet enclosure. I need something that is quick to set up and take down for those potty breaks on the trail,:bike_rider: yet is strong enough to hold a shower head for 6 showers at the end of the day.:friday: Any suggestions on that one?

If I were on the trail with my 3 year old little diva and she said to me, "Daddy I gotta go now, now!", I know I could have my Outback set up in less than 1 minute from pulling it out of the truck. True story.

I have yet to use the shower head tie strap to hold the shower head in place. Since showering with the Zodi or most other camp shower kits is more akin to rinsing off at the beach, I don't want the shower head in a fixed position. It's quicker and better controls the amount of water used, to use the shower head to hose one's self off. Sure you feel and look like a dog chasing it's own tail with that method, but it's effective.

Good pics Bergger.

[gier]

I have the 35 buck shower tent from walmart. It has a floor and is strong enough to hold a shower bag in it The bag is kind of low though. I use it with a electric shower. Its great. Not as big as some of the others but its better than no shower at all.

[VikingVince]

I have the PETT toilet and the PETT toilet/tent enclosure which I also use for showering with my Zodi. The tent is really fast...goes up and comes down in one minute b/c of the quick-set design with the rods built in.

Check out this new model from Cabelas...big...nice for basecamp if you're there for extended period. Wives/girlfriends would like it.
http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_518187_imageset_01?$main-Medium$

[OverlandZJ]

Check out this new model from Cabelas...big...nice for basecamp if you're there for extended period. Wives/girlfriends would like it.
http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_518187_imageset_01?$main-Medium$

I hadnt seen that one, it's huge. You could use it as a changing room as well.

[VikingVince]

I hadnt seen that one, it's huge. You could use it as a changing room as well.

Yeah...it's intended for that...even has a "closet" with clothes rod!!
It's 8' long x 4' wide and stands 8.5' high!!!
Would probably be a PITA to set up but for extended camps, might be worth it.

[OverlandZJ]

Yeah...it's intended for that...even has a "closet" with clothes rod!!
It's 8' long x 4' wide and stands 8.5' high!!!
Would probably be a PITA to set up but for extended camps, might be worth it.


Memorial Day camp every year consists of about a dozen people, each needing a shower or two. Setup and teardown wouldnt be difficult with the extra hands. The ladies in our group would prefer this as opposed to my smaller shelter.

Thanks for the link, i'll have to check it out.

[Curtis in Texas]

All these store bought shower enclosures are nice, but, for the more frugal (Cough) Cheap Bastages out there , Like me, here's how I solved my shower problem before I went Class "A" motorcoach.
Get yourself the largest "Hoola Hoop" you can find, and two shower curtains. Hang the curtains from the hoola hoop and your all set. (Over lap the ends by two holes for better privacy.) You can hang the Hoola Hoop from a tree or off the side of your roof rack. Motorcycle tie downs are great for this. Fully adjustable. A side note: I use the shower curtains as a rain fly for the roof rack contents. I don't even undo the curtain from the Hoola Hoop, I just leave it all together. A bungee mesh net over that and it's all good. This way it's on top for fast access. We use it as a bathroom with hassock in it too. The hassock makes a great stool in the shower too.
I have a Yackama Rack on my 4 wheel drive rig and the cross braces are great for sliding some conduit into them to hang the hoola hoop on. Since I had a roof rack I made up a wooden grate that filled the RR basket floor. It was removable and with the slats close enough it made a perfect floor for the shower. A few solar bags tied to the roof and the evening showers were a breeze. Anyway, my girlfriend, at the time, loved the convience of a shower on the trail. I can't seem to find the shower stall pictures I took of it with the Girl Friend in it. :) But, you get the idea.
( Don't tell anyone, but the Roof Rack Basket was a sales table from Virgin Records.) I did say I was frugal didn't I?


And since we're talking about being cheap, er I mean frugal, here's another idea.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/Curtis-J/MosquitoNet.jpg
Here's a picture of the mosquito netting I made for it for sleeping in the back. It's held in place with bungee cord sewed into the edge. I put some overlapping slits in the cover to give me access to the air mattress bed in the rear. I made some socks to slip over the rear door frames so I could roll the back windows down for a breeze. or up to slow the air flow down. The entire mosquito netting packs into a bag the size of a travel bag shaving kit. (No Kidding) Before you ask, the netting I got at my local Army Navy Store for about $10. bucks. Bungee cord, same place.
If you look close you can see the camp stove hanging on the back of the swing out tire carrier. It hangs off simple shelf brackets. Another one of my creations.

Here's the entire rig going up to Moab Rim.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/Curtis-J/RodeoWheelie.jpg
Not your typical Rodeo. It has 20 forward and 4 reverse gears. ARB's in both ends. Talk about a Mountain Goat!

Anyway, I hope you don't mind if I put in my 2 cents worth and share some other things that worked for me.

Curtis in Texas

[Antichrist]

Vince had this cool shower deck (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0014094511007a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=No=20&noImage=0&Ntt=shower&Ntk=Products&QueryText=shower&Ntx=matchall&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=4887&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.22&returnPage=search-results1.jsp) in Baja. I need to get one :). I was using my spearfishing fins to stand on.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/10/07/i511007sq01.jpgIn case anyone is interested it's $10US cheaper here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=146577


All these store bought shower enclosures are nice, but, for the more frugal (Cough) Cheap Bastages out there , Like me,I've been using a cheap bastard shower for quite a few years. A woodpile tarp, which is about 4'x 12' and wrap it around 4 tent poles. Adjusted to the right height, it hides all the naughty bits. :D

[Corey]

So far after looking here and Googling, I have it narrowed down to three shower tents.

This past week I was up at Mt. Rainier National Park for my vacation with the PETT system.
The tent alone is OK for the toilet, but it sucks for a shower.
There is no floor in it, and dirt was splashing up on me from the ground.
Plus the PETT tent half way blew over a few times due to a poor guyline rope system they use.
I touched on that in my gear review in this section.

So, here are the three I have been looking at that are actually big enough.
The PETT one is also cramped unless you are built like a bean stalk.

Columbia Shoshoni Falls Shower Tent (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007IS656)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419HZEGZQ9L._SS400_.jpg

Cabela's Shower Shelter (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=15LXOARVDSTZPLAQBBJSCOVMCAEFII WE?id=0031110516873a&navCount=3&podId=0031110&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=search-cat20097-cat20097-cat20097_TGP&catalogCode=QX&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true&_requestid=27376)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/68/73/i516873sn04.jpg

Cabela's Fast Set Shower Shelter (HUGE) (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0054645518187a&navCount=2&podId=0054645&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=search-cat20097-cat20097&catalogCode=IJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true)

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/cabela_huge_shower.jpg

Of the three, the smaller Cabela's looks pretty good.
I like the big one too, and it might be worth the trouble to set it up when camping on a vacation for three + days.

[FlyingWen]

We use the Pett Potty (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=39) system now and I honestly can't imagine camping without it!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i72/nanuk2121/IMG_1783.jpg
(Thanks to our model, Articulate)
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i72/nanuk2121/IMG_1804.jpghttp://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i72/nanuk2121/IMG_1780.jpg


While we do have the Pup tent that came with the potty, I do not recommend using it in windy areas. It does come with an anchor system, but figuring it out was somewhat complicated.

We use the Paha Que Privacy Tent (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=344), but as mentioned earlier, it is a 2 man job to set up. Once the tent is up however, it is solid and VERY stable!

Bottom line: if you have ladies camping with you or if you are trying to get the Mrs. to camp more often.. I recommend the Pett!

[bat]

I realize the burning of toilet paper needs to be done with caution not to start a fire. In mexico without burning the toilet paper the Coyotes dig that stuff up and poop paper is seen wondering the grounds.

[rambrush]

We set up a base camp up in Montana every year. I use a trekker commode shelter, Cabellas shower tent and there new 10x20 tent. For a shade shelter we use the Eureka.
The wood slate hinged thing is cheap and rough on the feet. no longer used at our place.
The shower 5 gallon bag that comes with it is cheap and does not work very good at all. We went with a better design out of Seattle. Left it in the shed in Montana so not currently available to provide the manufacture.

[Corey]

I bet this is it.
http://www.rei.com/product/752797

http://media.rei.com/media/s/1271284.jpg

So you like the small size Cabela's shower tent, the one in the middle pic I posted above?
I think I am going to order that one up here soon.

The bigger one sounds like it might be a lot of extra work to setup, plus I would not be able to set that monster up in my apt. first :D

[rambrush]

Yes that is the bladder bag that works great. The blue nozzle pulls out to dispense water. The stock cabbelas unit is controlled from a valve on the bag. (Not very ez to use)
Yes I would suggest the Cabbelas unit. Actually both the top and middle appear to be by same manufacture.
We have had ours for 2 years now and no problems. This year we left the bag hanging inside and a storm came through and uprooted it. Put it back up restaked and discovered no problems.

[Corey]

Great, thanks for the info.
I will order that soon.
I will also get that bladder bag above to use in conjunction with my Zodi Extreme unit I have now.

Kind of use the Seattle one as a backup in case the Zodi runs out.

[atavuss]

we have used the Cabela's shower shelter along with a PETT toilet two different trips this year. first trip we set the shelter up and used the rain fly, it stayed bone dry inside after a 2 or 3 hour thunderstorm with hail.
second trip we had an 18 y.o. female that had not camped since she was three or four years old, she liked the PETT toilet and the privacy of the shelter. it was windy the entire time we camped the second time and the shelter blew over twice. the second time it blew over I tied the shelter to some trees and it was ok the rest of the trip. one of the plastic corner pieces that holds the poles broke and Cabela's shipped me a new one no charge in less than a week.

pros=
stays dry through rain if rain fly is used
two windows plus top is screened for ventilation
roomy
privacy
floor is built in and self draining

cons=
just about takes two people to set up, three people is even easier
time consuming to put up
need to tie it off so it won't blow over
zipper catches on "fly" of fabric

as for the PETT toilet the only cons were you have to be careful of how you sit on it with three legs it can be tippy
smell can get bad especially in warmer climates
we used one bag for three people for 2.5 days and still were able to close the bag
I would recommend taking latex or nitrile gloves to remove, tie off, and dispose of the wag bags.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/400648/P7120268(Small).JPG

[the dude]

We used the porta-privy from Cabelas on our trip to alaska. It sets up in seconds and take down is about the same AFTER you figure out how to twist the darn thing up. Quality is OK but I am concerned about zippers and seams. It got used for 25+ days this year so for a $49 item, it's been great.

The floor is removable with velcro fasteners and I found it plenty big (I am a large man)

The two man set up would really discourage me from purchasing some of the tents mentioned. We had a couple road side showers that where over before anybody had a clue what was going on due to the ease of set up and break down.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/bjtaylor/IMG_1674.jpg

[ujoint]

I have the same Cabela's model. It's nice, but does take a while to set up. I only use it occasionally.

[Corey]

Just bought it, will be here in a week.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/68/73/i516873sn04.jpg

[rambrush]

You will be very happy when it arrives. The corner shelf unit is pretty flimsy. We stick shampoo/liquid soap bottles in the pockets on the back wall.
It is way easy to setup and only requires one person

[hoser]

I also have the $50 porta-privy. True, it is barely adequate in material quality but everything else about it is great. Easy to set-up and take down once you get the hang of it. The size is large enough for most people. At this price, it could be replaced every few years. However, I would gladly pay more for better materials.

[spressomon]

I also have the $50 porta-privy. True, it is barely adequate in material quality but everything else about it is great. Easy to set-up and take down once you get the hang of it. The size is large enough for most people. At this price, it could be replaced every few years. However, I would gladly pay more for better materials.


X2. Although the only part of the tent itself that has failed are the cheapo/stiff plastic 'bags' on the inside.

The thin cheap storage bag it comes with got torn...so I recently had a local auto upholstery shop make me a 'stuff' bag...they used HD Sunbrella fabric (scrap they had laying around) and used the zipper out of the original Porta-Privy. It cost me $60...but I figure it'll outlast several Porta-Privy's ;-)

But nothing beats it's super fast set-up and take down time!

[JeepinBear]

When we go "jeep campin" we use the Paha-Que enclosure and the Coleman Hot Water on Demand system. It has worked VERY well for us so far with no issues to report.

[Overland Hadley]

Found yet another type of shower/toilet enclosure.

http://www.gowesty.com/images/ec/products/large/large_39c88d0f35939c254de782d6dd8e607b.jpg

Available from GoWesty.com (http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=3231&category_id=259&category_parent_id=)

[Corey]

My Cabela's shower arrived early.
Monday was when it was suppose to be here, but Friday it came.

Sadly though the UPS guy informed me the blond on the box demonstrating the shower will not arrive until next week.

I hope to find time to set it up this weekend to see how hard/easy it is.

[5x5]

Used the Porta-Privy for the first time this weekend. Set up with four stakes took about 1 min. Take down about 30 sec. I'm sold!
We used wag bags, a 5 gal bucket and a luggable loo seat. With twenty trucks and around fifty people, there was no way we could or would use the woods. I'm working on the heated shower tomarrow.

[RHINO]

this is a gross thread.

[Corey]

this is a gross thread.
Just wait, I will be reviewing this later (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0014250515341a&navCount=6&podId=0014250&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=push&cmCat=MainCatcat20075-cat20097&catalogCode=IJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true) :D

Its for the roof top tent.

[pint]

I have the Cabela's unit. It is very nice, but does take 2 people at least 5 minutes to setup. Although it has been a good enclosure, probably going to sell it next year to get something more stable and quick to setup.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

After four seasons of use my shower enclosure finally gave up the ghost (The elastic "Band" inside the vertical support bar came untied during one of my last trips). I don't know how/if you can re-tie it.

It is one of the bigger rebadged Cabela's units. I've mainly put it up by myself since I bought it (One or two times I had assistance).


Pros;

I liked the space inside. The shelves were easy to use and spacious.

The stability was great as long as the ground supported stakes or tree's were available to tie it down.

The fabric was good and the seams were strong.


Cons;

Setup. As I stated above I usually set this up alone and it was a solid five to ten minute job.

Once packed it was rather big and somewhat bulky.

Poor knot tying inside the vertical supports (I highly recommend anyone with this unit to periodically check the knots/elastic to prevent this happening to yours).

At $124.95 I expected it to last longer than four seasons. Is that uncalled for? or is that a normal "Life?" As a guide, I take good care of my equipment.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ruffian05/i516873sn04.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ruffian05/100_0559.jpg


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ruffian05/100_0560.jpg



What should I replace it with? After reading this thread I'm just as confused as I was before I started reading all this.

Does the Porta-privy's lack of quality materials and difficulties in folding it justify looking elsewhere?

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

I'd be interested in hearing what people have to say about the Cabela's shower enclosure as well. I'm also considering the Zodi unit...

From looking back in this thread, it looks like the cabela's unit might be the same as the black canyon one that 24hoursofnevada uses.


Yep it's the same. Also the same as the one marketed by Columbia.

[Dave]

If anyone is interested, there is a lightly used Outback Privy behind the trash canisters on top of White Rock Mountain in N.W. Arkansas. Nothing wrong with it other then it's complete lack of cooperation.

[Bergger]

If anyone is interested, there is a lightly used Outback Privy behind the trash canisters on top of White Rock Mountain in N.W. Arkansas. Nothing wrong with it other then it's complete lack of cooperation.

I absolutely love ours. It sets up and breaks down in a flash. What seemed to be the issue with yours?

[Dave]

I absolutely love ours. It sets up and breaks down in a flash. What seemed to be the issue with yours?

It rarely folded up like it was supposed to when it was time to put it away. Yesterday I messed with it for nearly an hour and never could get it to fold right. I don't know how to describe what it would do other then saying it would never curl right and the "bottom" would never meet the "top" like the instructions implied it would.

[Bergger]

It rarely folded up like it was supposed to when it was time to put it away. Yesterday I messed with it for nearly an hour and never could get it to fold right. I don't know how to describe what it would do other then saying it would never curl right and the "bottom" would never meet the "top" like the instructions implied it would.


Once you learn how to fold it it's easy. Fold it flat. Then fold it in half so the walls are all stacked on each other. Place the ceiling end on the ground and hold the floor end in you hands, one hand on each side. Push the ceiling end down into the ground and as you do this bring your arms together in front of you and continue to push down towards the ceiling end. The end you are holding will curl into a circle and the whole thing will curl up into itself. It took me a little while to figure it out but once you get it it works great.

[kcowyo]

If anyone is interested, there is a lightly used Outback Privy behind the trash canisters on top of White Rock Mountain in N.W. Arkansas. Nothing wrong with it other then it's complete lack of cooperation.

:xxrotflma
:xxrotflma


I think I tweaked mine and the poles wouldn't bend back to their original form. Once that happened, game over. It's a shame as they're really nice little tents other than breaking them down and storing them.

.

[Dave]

Once you learn how to fold it it's easy. Fold it flat. Then fold it in half so the walls are all stacked on each other. Place the ceiling end on the ground and hold the floor end in you hands, one hand on each side. Push the ceiling end down into the ground and as you do this bring your arms together in front of you and continue to push down towards the ceiling end. The end you are holding will curl into a circle and the whole thing will curl up into itself. It took me a little while to figure it out but once you get it it works great.

I hear ya. I had it figured out in my living room back in June. I even had it figured out on a trip where we used in late June, but something happened and it would never "curl up into itself".


I think I tweaked mine and the poles wouldn't bend back to their original form. Once that happened, game over. It's a shame as they're really nice little tents other than breaking them down and storing them.
.

Yep, that sounds like what happened to mine. Storing it was always a PITA too, but something I could live with.

Either way, it's gone from my life and I don't miss it.

[Dave]

Tried out the Trekker privy (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0032218516922a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=rekker&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1) this weekend and am pretty pleased with it. The biggest downside is there are no provisions for hanging dry clothes, towels, etc., but other wise it works great. Setup and take down was simple and straight forward.

[cstamm81]

Come on doesnt anyone do in out in the open like me? Depending on where you're camping, it's usually feasible to hit the toilet or shower out in the open (at least for me). I could see where an enclosure would come in handy at times though, so to each their own. If I wanted a good one I'd give this a try:
http://www.springbar.com/explore/canopies/cabana.html

[gier]

I am sure the people at the local KOA would rather you use a shower tent.

[StumpXJ]

Ok, I am revisting this and the other shower enclosure threads.

I have had this Cabelas style unit:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/68/73/i516873sn04.jpg

for about a year, and I absolutely hate it.

For the same reason that everyone else has mentioned, set-up/tear down being the main one. While I had this set up on one of my recent trips, I slipped down the side of a ditch, and the shower was there next to it, so I instinctively grabbed one of the side poles to help hold myself up. Well... the 300 pound force of me falling didnt bode well with the thin aluminum poles that the shower is made of and it snapped in two pieces. I cant really say I expected it to hold my big a** up, so I am not going to complain about that. It was just the last "nail in the coffin" if you will.

It is very big and roomy, and is great for both a toilet and my zodi shower...... if you are in the same place for more than a day. The problem is, I am always moving to new spots everyday, and tearing this thing down and setting it up is a huge drag.

I havent really found something that I like, so I am going to make my own that will work off the drivers side of my roof rack.

I want it to be completely functional, have a sturdy toilet seat, a place to use my custom ZODI shower head, and a true shelf or two, not just some mesh pockets. It also will have to be lightweight, portable, and set-up and tear down in under 2 minutes by myself. It will also have some sort of lighting system. I have had to use flashlights and personal laterns in my old enclosure, and that gets old real fast.

Too much to ask? I think not, and look forward to the challenge.

Anyone else do there own thing? got any pics? I am going to do something a little more that a curtain hanging off of hoop supported by a rod off the roof rack.

~James

[kcowyo]

I am going to do something a little more that a curtain hanging off of hoop supported by a rod off the roof rack.


I believe you. If anyone can come up with a well built & functional design, it would be you.

I caved and bought another Porta Privy on sale. I'm watching the folding instructional video over & over before taking it on our trip next week. Pray for me big guy....

:campfire:
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[StumpXJ]

I said a prayer for you KC...LOL

Now that I have spouted off about building this awesome designed shower, I have run into a little snag.

I went outside to stare at my configuration and let the ideas start flowing, but ran into a brick wall. I have my awning mounted on the passenger side, and my tent opens to the drivers side. Cant come out the back because of the rear hatch. I have nowhere to put this thing at the moment.

I just ordered a Porta privy, and have watched the videos a few times as well.... how hard can it be? Probably way harder than that lady makes it look.... I will put the fabrication project on hold until I try out the privy.

~James

[kcowyo]

I just ordered a Porta privy, and have watched the videos a few times as well.... how hard can it be?

Prayer reciprocated....

I really, really like the Porta Privy and used it successfully on several outings. Heck, I even let a buddy use it and showed him how to fold it back up without issue.

But for some reason on a trip over the 4th of July, I couldn't get it to fold back up correctly to save my life. I think I tweaked a pole in my repeated attempts and then there was just no going back. It eventually went back in the bag, but it was never usable again.

Hopefully this time will be different and I'll have more patience. Reviews of the PETT tent from people I trust and respect weren't very high and the same for the Cabela's tent you mentioned, with set-up being the main issue. So I'll try the Porta Privy again....
.

[tdesanto]

I believe you. If anyone can come up with a well built & functional design, it would be you.

I caved and bought another Porta Privy on sale. I'm watching the folding instructional video over & over before taking it on our trip next week. Pray for me big guy....

:campfire:
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Where did you find it on sale?

[Phantom]

Cabela's has them on sale for 20 bucks less 39.88 Reg 59.99, I got one last night.


http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0032659590796a.shtml

[kcowyo]

Cabela's has them on sale ...

Yup.
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[articulate]

I'd really enjoy a video of KC getting pissed at his porta privy.
:REOutShootinghunter

[Overland Hadley]

I'd really enjoy a video of KC getting pissed at his porta privy.
:REOutShootinghunter


x2!

[pete.wilson]

Hey

Like Phantom, I got my Porta-privy for $39.99 on sale at Cabela's. I like how fast it is to setup; it helps to watch the fold-up video a few times to get the hang of folding it up correctly. For the money it's a great deal.

Pete Wilson

[chuck45]

We got the Guide Gear Pop Up Privacy Shelter and Shower from Bargain Outfitters. http://www.bargainoutfitters.com/cb/cb.asp?a=317253

It looks like the Cabelas but it doesn't have a floor. That's good as far as I'm concerned; one less thing to catch dirt. The current price shows 39 but I paid 29 for it. My wife absolutely loves it and the PETT toilet.

I've never tried to use the shower but I like how fast it is to put up and down. Practice at home before trying to store it in the field. I can't describe it but once you master a simple manuever it folds and stores in 30 seconds.

The only real problem is wind. Before we go out again we're going to sew some tie down points about 4 and 5 ft up so that we can more easily tie it off to a tree, the roof rack or swing out tire carrier in windy situations.

The PETT works great. The only problem we've had with it is when in soft sand. I'm going to cut a piece of 1/2"plywood to put under it so the legs don't sink into the sand.

If I were going to be in a base camp situation I'd probablybring along one of the more elaborate shower enclosures where the longer set up and take down wouldn't be an issue. But I'd still carry the little pop up for trailside use

[Colorado Ron]

Anyone use this toilet? Looks sturdier than others. Much needed for me!:ylsmoke:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_516922&id=0043262517641a

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/76/41/i517641sn01.jpg

[StumpXJ]

Ron, I have seen your videos on the new site (nice by the way), and I think its safe to say you and I are very similar in size and build. Im not sure what your luck has been, but I have purchased and destroyed more types of "accordian" chairs and camp do-dads than I care to remember. I refuse to buy anything of that style now, especially if my rear end has to sit on it. I have yet to have that style hold up for more than a few uses.

I have no actual experience with the product you posted, but it looks the same as any other. Its one thing to have one of those accordian chairs collapse while you are sitting around the campfire with your buddies having a beer, but its another to have it collapse while you are using it for whats its intended to "doo-doo".... Just my .02

:)

~James

[chuck45]

Ron, I have seen your videos on the new site (nice by the way), and I think its safe to say you and I are very similar in size and build. Im not sure what your luck has been, but I have purchased and destroyed more types of "accordian" chairs and camp do-dads than I care to remember. I refuse to buy anything of that style now, especially if my rear end has to sit on it. I have yet to have that style hold up for more than a few uses.

I have no actual experience with the product you posted, but it looks the same as any other. Its one thing to have one of those accordian chairs collapse while you are sitting around the campfire with your buddies having a beer, but its another to have it collapse while you are using it for whats its intended to "doo-doo".... Just my .02

:)

~James

James, I can tell you that I've had pretty good sized folks (300#) use the PETT with no problems.

But you bring up an excellent point. I a good sized guy myself and don't like the accordian camp chairs either. I've had too many fail. The last few I've got from Sams Club and they've taken them back and replaced them free when they died or bent. The shame is that for another 50 cents per chair they could have used beefier parts that wouldn't break. I've actually considered taking one apart and fabricating some replacements (for the plastic pivot points) out of 14 guage or 1/8" and then using capnuts on threaded steel pins insted of the cheap things they use. I've never had a failure of the aluminum arms - only the pivots.

Or have you found a decent folding chair. I've actually thought of going to Office Depot and getting one of those folding steel chairs. I've never seen one fail and they fold flat. Would look kind of funny around the campfire though.

[StumpXJ]

Chuck, I *think* have seen the Pett toilet, but the tri-pod design (if its what I am thinking about) throws me off a little. Is it stable? Also, is it a little short? I think the more I look at them, the regular ole toilet seat on a five gallon bucket and Pett Poo bags are the way to go. Any thoughts?

As for the chair issues, I agree, the plastic connection/corner pieces are always what fails. That and the rivets every now and then. This is what i use curently, and it is holding up GREAT!

Coleman director style chairs. The only gripe is that they dont fold up very compact, but its worth the trade off knowing I wont hit the dirt. Its also nice because its not reclined. Makes it much more comfortable for eating at a table.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n257/topfuel443/France%20Camping%20Dec%202008/DSCN0612.jpg

[FourByLand]

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/76/41/i517641sn01.jpg

Seems like it would be a great for a foot rest also!

Get it and let us know!

[chuck45]

Chuck, I *think* have seen the Pett toilet, but the tri-pod design (if its what I am thinking about) throws me off a little. Is it stable? Also, is it a little short? I think the more I look at them, the regular ole toilet seat on a five gallon bucket and Pett Poo bags are the way to go. Any thoughts?

As for the chair issues, I agree, the plastic connection/corner pieces are always what fails. That and the rivets every now and then. This is what i use curently, and it is holding up GREAT!

Coleman director style chairs. The only gripe is that they dont fold up very compact, but its worth the trade off knowing I wont hit the dirt. Its also nice because its not reclined. Makes it much more comfortable for eating at a table.

The only time I have had a problem with the PETT is when we camped in very soft sand and even then it was OK and useable; the legs just sunk in 3" or so. The Solution is to cut a piece of plywood for it to sit on. And yes it is the three legged thing you are thinking of. I prefer it over the 5 gallon bucket because it folds nice and flat and is easy to transport. As to the height; as strange as it may sound most toilets are too tall, and while it may be a bit indelicate to discuss, elimination is easier on a lower toilet. Heck they even sell surrounds that go around your toilet at home to elevate your feet 3 or 4" and make it effectively lower. So the bottom line is that my wife and I really like the PETT and think it's one of our better purchases. The PETT and one of the cheap Pop-up enclosures get put in the Jeep even on day outings.

I'll take a look at the Coleman chairs. You are correct about the recline of the other chairs. When sitting at a table I end up sitting way forward in them which probably contributes to their failure as all the weight is on the front two legs and none on the back. You know, I wouldn't mind paying more for one of these chairs if it held up. These stupid companys would rather warrantee them than put a little extra into them.

[86cj]

Based on all the good info from you guy's and most importantly Gal's. I bought my wife a PETT toilet and Paha Que outhouse for christmas. She has been a real trooper for years but our state has cut back on park maintenance and you can tell.

I can't give any feedback on the outhouse yet, but can say due to a plugged sewer and plumbers busy unthawing pipes we broke out the PETT already. I found it to be just as comfortable as our house toilet. As long as you remember it has 3 legs and don't lean to far (you can lean) when finishing up, it is very stable and the height seems just right to me.

I also sprung for two MSR 10L Dromedary bags with shower kits for a sun shower. I chose them based on being able to use the bags to transport water in the Jeep on rough trails while it warms up. I just did not see the typical sun showers holding up to transporting water. I have no idea how Dromedary bags will work for a shower but will pass on how they work when I use our new bathroom....

[atavuss]

has anyone thought about using a portable toilet like one of these? sure looks like they would be sturdier and more comfortable than a PETT toilet. disadvantage is that they are bulkier. you could probably substitue locking pins instead of bolts and wingnuts to take it apart.
http://www.qualitymedicalinc.com/invacare_commodes.htm

[CanuckMariner]

Absolutely outstanding thread on one item of trailing equipment...a place to be by yourself for a few minutes (OK some of you literally hours) chatting with nature. The enclosure for privacy if one needed any in a natural setting and a seat to ponder life's woes. Excellent...just shows how we could organize the rest of the camping and other misc. gear we chat about so well and help each other get to a new level of camping bliss.

Hence my reason (in Admin Section) requesting a "Trail Gadgets" section....oh not to cover the same old stuff but neat kool little devices that make life on the trail fun, easier, better, more comfortable...well you know!

We used the Porta Privy while at SnT 08 as a convenient pisser, and every morning the neighbours who supplied it, put their used coffee grounds on it and it deterred any smell. Worked great, lots of people used it, held up better than that Frenchy tent next door did when it got real windy one afternoon and through the night. So much so, the owner got a Porta Privy afterwards. They go up in seconds and down in seconds. Light weight, dry fast, and have much of the features of the expensive ones, towel strings, shower hose hole and hook, pockets for toiletries, etc. not bad for under $40! Sometimes you ca get them on sale at |Costco for 29.99.

OK who's going to organize the next item? This was great!

[mrlocksmith]

Absolutely outstanding thread on one item of trailing...a place to be by yourself for a few minutes (OK some of you hours) chatting with nature. The enclosure for privacy if one needed any in a natural setting and a seat to ponder life's woes. Excellent...just shows how we could organize the rest of the camping and other misc. gear we chat about so well and hep0 each other get to a new level of camping bliss.

Hence My reason (in Admin Section) requesting a "Trail Gadgets" section....oh not to cover the same old stuff but neat kool little devices that make life on the trail fun, easier, better, more comfortable...well you know!

We used the Porta Privy while at SnT 08 as a convenient pisser, and every morning the neighbours who supplied it, put their used coffee grounds on it and it deterred any smell. Worked great lots of people used it, held up better than that Frenchy tent next door did when it got real windy one afternoon and night. So much so, the owner got a Porta Privy. The go up in seconds and down in seconds. Light weight, dry fast, and have much of the features of the expensive ones, towel strings, shower hose hole and hook, pockets for toiletries, etc. not bad for under $40!

OK who's going to organize the next item? This was great!

Jan:

Actually It was my Porta Privy shelter that did not hold up well in the wind at SNT. The center hinge on the tent - pole bends in the wind. So I went and out an "Outback" Privy shelter wich did fine in the wind as you can see in this photo at SNT08 with about 20MPH winds. The porta privy is in the back and the outback is in the front.

http://web.mac.com/mrlocksmith/iWeb/Site/RTT/Pooptents.JPG



Mark

[CanuckMariner]

Jan:

Actually It was my Porta Privy shelter that did not hold up well in the wind at SNT. The center hinge on the tent - pole bends in the wind. So I went and out an "Outback" Privy shelter wich did fine in the wind as you can see in this photo at SNT08 with about 20MPH winds. The porta privy is in the back and the outback is in the front.

http://web.mac.com/mrlocksmith/iWeb/Site/RTT/Pooptents.JPG



Mark

I think you may have it backwards, the Porta Privy (Jeb's as I recall) is in the foreground and your unit by PETT called "The PUP" (http://www.thepett.ca/products/pup.html) is the background bent over. As I recall even you agreed that the Porta Privy from Cabelas stood up better (and was cheaper) to the wind than yours did and that you were going to get one. Sorry for the correction.

[Corey]

My PETT privy was bowing down too in the winds I encountered while camped at Mt. Rainier last August.

[mrlocksmith]

Jan:

My bad, that will teach me not to drink beer while posting :smilies27

Mark

[CanuckMariner]

Jan:

My bad, that will teach me not to drink beer while posting :smilies27

Mark

No problem mate, understand completely!

[EricGagne]

Has anyone tried the "outback like" Trekker that Cabelas' now sells ? They don't seem to have the Outback anymore. I got mine today, it looked good in the living room but I live in Quebec so I can't really try it outside for another 2 months.

I'd like to know what others think about it and would particularly welcome comments from people who have seen it and the Outback. I'd like to know if it's the same tent sold under different names or if one is better.

My Fold-A-Privy in the living room (http://ericgagne.info/album/index.php?list=12)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_516922&id=0066855518958a

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_518958_imageset_01?$main-Large$

[Bergger]

Has anyone tried the "outback like" Trekker that Cabelas' now sells ? They don't seem to have the Outback anymore. I got mine today, it looked good in the living room but I live in Quebec so I can't really try it outside for another 2 months.

I'd like to know what others think about it and would particularly welcome comments from people who have seen it and the Outback. I'd like to know if it's the same tent sold under different names or if one is better.

My Fold-A-Privy in the living room (http://ericgagne.info/album/index.php?list=12)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_516922&id=0066855518958a

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_518958_imageset_01?$main-Large$

It looks identical to the OutBack Porta Privy. If it is I think you'll like it. I love my Outback Porta Privy. It's quick to set up and take down and holds up well in the wind. It also takes up very little storage space.

[IntrepidXJ]

Has anyone tried the "outback like" Trekker that Cabelas' now sells ? They don't seem to have the Outback anymore. I got mine today, it looked good in the living room but I live in Quebec so I can't really try it outside for another 2 months.


i got my Trekker from Cabelas today. This thing is super easy to put up and take down. Took me 30 seconds to take it down on my first try. I think I'm going to like this :victory:

[Titanpat57]

Just picked up the Cabela's HUGE shower/toilet/changing room 4' x 8'

The nice thing is pops up like an EZ awning..took about 15 mins to put up and take down (the only thing I didnt do was to stake the bottom sitting on the driveway)

It's neat, has clear skylights in the rain fly and a seperate toilet area that zips shut!

[Corey]

That is almost as big as my apartment, I could live in that :)
I have yet to set up my Cabelas one, the smaller one that I bought last year to replace the PETT one.

[CanuckMariner]

i got my Trekker from Cabelas today. This thing is super easy to put up and take down. Took me 30 seconds to take it down on my first try. I think I'm going to like this :victory:

You're way too coordinated to get it down that fast on the first try, Randy! Have a couple of :beer: and then do it again. If you still get it down in 30 secs or less, you need to get a better social life!

[ssmathis]

I must be in the same boat as InterpidXJ. I received my Outback privy yesterday and it only took me 30 seconds to get it back down and in the bag. I need to get out more....

Scott

[Disco0311]

I received my Outback privy today, very easy to open and close, good product it looks very well built, cant wait to go camping.

[R_Lefebvre]

Just picked up the Cabela's HUGE shower/toilet/changing room 4' x 8'

The nice thing is pops up like an EZ awning..took about 15 mins to put up and take down (the only thing I didnt do was to stake the bottom sitting on the driveway)

It's neat, has clear skylights in the rain fly and a seperate toilet area that zips shut!

I like that. What are the details? I can't seem to find it on Cabelas' website.

[tommudd]

I like that. What are the details? I can't seem to find it on Cabelas' website.


I have been looking as well and can not find it! . I like this one as I sleep in the back of my rig and this would be a great combo, for dressing, showering and doing all the things you have to do!

[R_Lefebvre]

Yeah, exactly. It's just the thing I need for the side of my expo trailer. I'll be bummed if it's NLA.

[Titanpat57]

Im sorry..hadn't checked this for a few days..here is the link over at Mud

http://forum.ih8mud.com/camping-outdoor-gear/273105-camp-shower-enclosures.html

I have more pix if you need them.:ylsmoke:

Pat

[R_Lefebvre]

Yeah, that link is not working for me?

[ntsqd]

Cabela's link from that thread:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=QW0KSRAF5LXV1LAQBBKSCOVMCAEFAI WE?id=0031110516873a&navCount=1&podId=0031110&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20075-cat20097_TGP&catalogCode=IK&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true&_requestid=60323

Second Cabela's link in the thread gives me an error.

Amazon Texsport link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ITVSSQ/ref=nosim/ihco-20

[R_Lefebvre]

It's the large 4x8 Ezi-up style one I'm interested in, and that's the link that doesn't work, and I can't find it on Cabella's by surfing. I'm wondering if it's been discontinued.

[Titanpat57]

Hmmm...works for me..

Go to www.ih8mud.com click on forums, go to the "camping and outdoor gear" section, go down about 11 posts and you'll see a topic about "camp shower enclosures" theres a bunch of reviews there

Good luck

Pat

[R_Lefebvre]

No, I can see the thread at IH8Mud, but I can't get the link for the enclosure at Cabelas. Nor can I find it through searching direct.

This is the link that's not working for me:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/errors/critical-error.jsp?_requestid=84638

[Corey]

It is gone, I bet they no longer offer it.
The only Cabelas brand one I see is the same one I have (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20075-cat20097&id=0031110516873a&navCount=1&podId=0031110&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IK&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat601233&hasJS=true) that I have not opened up yet to test out.

[R_Lefebvre]

Ok, that's what I feared. Bummer.

[Titanpat57]

C ra p..I see what you mean...sorry. Maybe give them a buzz on the 800 number and see if they are going to offer it. I do have my old one that was used only once, (from wally world)a bit of a pain to put up, but in great condition. I'll be looking to get rid of it for 20$ plus shipping.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/allReviews.do?product_id=4726169

[Corey]

It is gone, I bet they no longer offer it.
The only Cabelas brand one I see is the same one I have (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20075-cat20097&id=0031110516873a&navCount=1&podId=0031110&parentId=cat20097&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IK&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat601233&hasJS=true) that I have not opened up yet to test out.
Well, today I spent a good portion cleaning my spare room where my camping gear is stored.
Consolidating my gear so it fits easier into the rig.

I thought to myself it was time to setup this Cabelas shower shelter.
I looked at the instructions and said screw it :D

I ended up looking online at the OutBack Privy.
http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/porta_privy.htm

I ended up ordering one from Bass Pro's website, but they are on backorder, but should be in this week.

Still going to setup the Cabelas one sometime, but it looks like it will take a long time to setup, and I want something easier.
The PETT one sets up very fast, but as seen by other posts by me, I was not happy with the quality of it at all.

http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/images/privy1.jpg

[Corey]

PS, just buzzed through this entire thread again, and it does seem the Cabelas one I bought last August is a two person job to setup.

Also saw this picture back a few pages.
It reminded me of my PETT Pup bowing over too in the mild wind I encountered up at Mt. Rainier.

http://web.mac.com/mrlocksmith/iWeb/Site/RTT/Pooptents.JPG

It seems many are happy with the Outback Privy, and the other one that looks similar to that Cabelas carries.

Someone should shoot a good video on how to fold it back up and host it with YouTube.
I did a search on the Tube, and not video for it exists yet.
The one on Outbacks site is not the best.
http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/privyvideo.htm

I think I made the right decision getting this one, as a lot of my camping will be solo, and I read how hard the Cabelas one is to setup.

[Darton]

Is this what you all are lookin for? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0066855518958a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=trekker&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

[tommudd]

Is this what you all are lookin for? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0066855518958a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=trekker&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1


no thats not the one I was wanting maybe someone else but I wanted the larger one.

[Disco0311]

I used google shopping to find my OutBack Privy (Ithink I got it at EMERGENCY ESSENTIALS). Really good product easy to pack and unpack.
Here is the pic of this weekend camping. I didn't like that the PETT waste bags leak a little, but they work pretty good, no smell.http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28348&d=1241405011




Well, today I spent a good portion cleaning my spare room where my camping gear is stored.
Consolidating my gear so it fits easier into the rig.

I thought to myself it was time to setup this Cabelas shower shelter.
I looked at the instructions and said screw it :D

I ended up looking online at the OutBack Privy.
http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/porta_privy.htm

I ended up ordering one from Bass Pro's website, but they are on backorder, but should be in this week.

Still going to setup the Cabelas one sometime, but it looks like it will take a long time to setup, and I want something easier.
The PETT one sets up very fast, but as seen by other posts by me, I was not happy with the quality of it at all.

http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/images/privy1.jpg

[LandCruiserPhil]

How about the STINKY PETE (http://www.gleasoncamping.com/browseproducts/The-Stinky-Pete-by-Gigatent.html)? It is marketed as a shower toilet enclosure but not mentioned here.

[DesertBoater]

I don't have much by way of experience with these plastic portajon deals, but for rafting trips i've used old ammo cans/rocket boxs that go by the name of "groovers" because the literally leave grooves in your backside. the tricky part is the lack of a release valve...and were therefore sometimes known to either slowly release on their own, or do so rather suddenly and violently, even when strapped down to the raft frame. anyway...
the real reason i'm posting is to share my shower idea. It's probably one of the cheaper options out there, and definitely good for the DIY'er. I took a couple of pieces of 2 and a half inch PVC tubing and the correct fittings to create a three rung "rocket launcher" lookin' thing that fit between the kayak stackers on my roof. the fittings were on the back end and all funnelled down to an on/off valve at the bottom that could screw into a hose. I stored the 4 foot section of hose in the bed of the truck and when i was using it, i'd either attach an on/off valve to the squirting end, so that i could control it from the ground, or just kink it when i didn't need water.
It held somewhere between 5 and 8 gallons, and seeing as it was painted black, it would heat up in the day, and after an evening of surfing, I'd have a nice warm rinse with a great sunset view. I didn't really worry about an enclosure...just a swimsuit.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/Desertboater/DSC05051.jpg
Just a Thule sticker...kinda almost looks maybe professional

Cheers,
West

[Corey]

Just an update, Bass Pro Shops emailed me to let me know they are not getting any in for up to 60 days.
Going to cancel with them.

I just bought one from
http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_CH%20S100_A_name_E_Outback%20Po rta%20Privy%20Privacy%20Shelter

They are in stock there.

[Cody1771]

i dont know about you guys but im a big fan of the DUI projects. unfotunatly i dont have any pics but what i did was whent to home hardware, baught me some PVC piping, quick connects and the like, went to my local fabric shop baught some light weight sunbrella and made my own. if something breaks its less than 1$ to fix and you can just about get spares anywhere. probbaly cost me about $75 all said and done.

[86cj]

I don't have much by way of experience with these plastic portajon deals, but for rafting trips i've used old ammo cans/rocket boxs that go by the name of "groovers" because the literally leave grooves in your backside. the tricky part is the lack of a release valve...and were therefore sometimes known to either slowly release on their own, or do so rather suddenly and violently, even when strapped down to the raft frame. anyway...
the real reason i'm posting is to share my shower idea. It's probably one of the cheaper options out there, and definitely good for the DIY'er. I took a couple of pieces of 2 and a half inch PVC tubing and the correct fittings to create a three rung "rocket launcher" lookin' thing that fit between the kayak stackers on my roof. the fittings were on the back end and all funnelled down to an on/off valve at the bottom that could screw into a hose. I stored the 4 foot section of hose in the bed of the truck and when i was using it, i'd either attach an on/off valve to the squirting end, so that i could control it from the ground, or just kink it when i didn't need water.
It held somewhere between 5 and 8 gallons, and seeing as it was painted black, it would heat up in the day, and after an evening of surfing, I'd have a nice warm rinse with a great sunset view. I didn't really worry about an enclosure...just a swimsuit.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/Desertboater/DSC05051.jpg
Just a Thule sticker...kinda almost looks maybe professional

Cheers,
West


This idea works fantastic, great sun shower..........

I first saw this at a Nascar race when the Redneck school bus rigs show up at the Infield. I have seen the whole roof length of a bus lined with these, in a large diameter no less.

[winch wench]

i definitely like the Outback...
im prolly gonna go with that

[EricGagne]

Home made shower and deck which I will use in my Trekker tent.

The deck is about 3x3, I made it "tight" to make sure the legs of my PETT toilet don't fall in the cracks. I plan on always leaving the deck in the tent, I will only have to remove the toilet when I want to shower. For the shower I borrowed the idea from another thread on ExPo, there are many but I don't remember which one caught my attention.

The sprayer is 2.5 Gallons, I bought it black on purpose so it can act as a solar shower. Filling it in the morning and leaving it under the sun all day should get the water hot/warm enough to shower. If not I can alway heat 2 or 3 liters on the stove and pour it in.

http://www.expedition4x4.qc.ca/images/ShowerDeck001.JPG
http://www.expedition4x4.qc.ca/images/ShowerDeck003.JPG

http://www.expedition4x4.qc.ca/images/DoucheMaison1.jpg
http://www.expedition4x4.qc.ca/images/DoucheMaison2.jpg

[Corey]

Man that is a nice wood deck to stand on.

Finally, my Outback shipped today.
Ordered it on Tuesday, they are behind from the http://elouai.com/images/yahoo/36.gif flu.

[FettsWay]

Has anyone tried the "outback like" Trekker that Cabelas' now sells ? They don't seem to have the Outback anymore. I got mine today, it looked good in the living room but I live in Quebec so I can't really try it outside for another 2 months.

I'd like to know what others think about it and would particularly welcome comments from people who have seen it and the Outback. I'd like to know if it's the same tent sold under different names or if one is better.

My Fold-A-Privy in the living room (http://ericgagne.info/album/index.php?list=12)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_516922&id=0066855518958a

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_518958_imageset_01?$main-Large$

Since there is a floor on this shower unit, does that not seem a little messy to anyone? Water and dirt from a shower would just pool up?

[weezerbot]

I believe that floor is removable. I'm also not sure how much build up you would get, it looks like there are lots of areas on the sides for the water to run out?

[EricGagne]

Weezerbot is right, it's not a permanent floor, really it's only a 4x4 (approx.) tarp that goes inside and attaches to the tent with velcros in the corners. Water would not stay inside unless of course there's a recess in the ground.

I do think though that it would probably get dirty when showering or could be damaged by the legs of a toilet, that's why I made my large deck, I don't plan on using the tent floor at all.

[Corey]

My Outback came today.
Very compact when inside of the carry bag.
I will try and set it up this weekend, maybe Friday sometime.

Looks like it may take some practice in putting it back down again.
I hope I am a quick learner :D

[winch wench]

please post pics if you can..thx

[Corey]

please post pics if you can..thx
Here they are, I like it!
I will have a full review on all my new camping gear I have bought since my last trip in my review thread in this section after the next time I can get out camping again.
But for now, here is a simple porch setup.
A few of my neighbors were very impressed with it when they saw how small it was folded up, then set up.

I did watch the video at their site on how to fold it up, and it helps.
You want to rest the small end (top of tent) up against a wall as seen in their video.
http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/privyvideo.htm

Do pretty much like she is doing.
It took me a few times, but I got the hang of it.
Opening it up is harder, as I could only get it half way.
My neighbor was watching me, and he pulled out from the top and it snapped open.
Same way to start to put it down to get it folded half way, you take the corner to the right of the door and push it to the opposite corner to break it down to just two sides, then you fold those in to make it look like the beginning of the video where she is going to fold it for storage.

Hard to explain, you will have to do try.
Here are some pictures.
It has a vent in the rear to snake your shower hose in, but I will be keeping the Zodi shower sans the burner inside so I can pump it up when it gets low.

Plenty of room for the PETT toilet too, in fact this is slightly larger than the PETT tent that came with my toilet.

It has a skylight opening that zips open, perfect for someone that is tall to look out while he/she is showering.

Towel hanger on the outside too, so it does not get wet when showering, and you have a zipper you open to have access to your hanging towel.

I did not put the bottom in, but it goes in with Velcro, and there is also a tent stake loop by the Velcro, and you pull it outside/under to put the stake in.
Guyline loops are up the sides.

Overall I am pretty impressed with this new shelter.

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/1.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/2.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/3.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/4.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/5.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/6.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/camping/reviews/outback_privy/7.jpg

[viatierra]

I think...

As others, I've spent way too much time cussing and wrestling my Outback Porta Privy. I had done it several times before, then the unit seemed to have lost it's shape and wouldn't curl like it used to. It is hard to decide what pisses me off more... the uncooperative privy, or the smug face on the lady in the "How to" video (http://www.evergreen-outdoors.net/outback/privyvideo.htm).

Then Christine came out to watch me struggle with this thing and noticed that in the video, the red Outback logo is on the bottom side. How could it make a difference since the thing is completely symetrical? She promptly flipped it over and folded it up BAM! Smug look and all. We both did it several times without fail.

VERDICT: Be sure the red logo is on the bottom.

Another mod by necessity: Durning my Klingon rite of MajQa with the Outback I destroyed the zipper on the storage bag. (Don't laugh dude, seriously.) The bag has some shoulder straps so you can stylishly tote your privy around. I don't plan on using the shoulder straps, so I cut them off at 8" or so. Now I can use them as ties to help keep the bag closed.

[kcowyo]

I knew that %$&$ thing was gender specific!!!


My thanks to Christine (...so will you help my fold mine up this weekend?)

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[CanuckMariner]

Good to see this organized like this, we should do this for all gear, save plodding around and through the endless threads on various topics.

Here another version of folding the Porta Privy for those (like me) that have a hard time at putting it away. Just needs practise.

A slightly different version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJeVNbHsLkg&feature=related), from a knock off it seems but easier to remember and do

[Corey]

Thanks Greg for the tip.
I can not remember which way I had the logo when I folded mine back up.
Took a few tries, there is a trick to it.

But now I will remember to have the logo down.

[Rattler]

I just picked one up at Kmart. It is a double unit. I haven't tried setting it up yet but I will give an update when I do (hopefully this afternoon). Also picked up the 3-legged Walmart wannabe PETT toilet too.

[R_Lefebvre]

I scored at Costco. I previously bought a Dometic potty for the trailer, but never took it out of the box yet, I think it was $150. I walked into a Costco in another city, and found they had a whole setup from Dometic, the same potty, chemicals, and a tent on clearance for $100. I snatched that up.

I thought the tent was like the pop up Outback one, but it's not. The curved poles at the top permanently stay in the tent, so it packs like a flat shape. All you have to do to setup is assemble the straight poles.

We've used it on one trip already, but didn't assemble the tent. The only thing that sucks is emptying the cassette isn't much fun.

[Rattler]

I got the shower tent up. Its not the easiest but I am sure it will go better as I get more used to it. It seems pretty sturdy too. I haven't tried hanging the 5 gallon sun shower in it yet(I need to get a nice s-hook for it) but it seems like it should hold it no problems. There is a shower-specific side that has a draining floor around the outside edges. Here are a few pics I snapped.


It even came with this nice mesh basket/whatever for your shower items.
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/Camping%20Stuff/SDC12100.jpg

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/Camping%20Stuff/SDC12099.jpg

Shower-side floor
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/Camping%20Stuff/SDC12101.jpg

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/Rattles02/Camping%20Stuff/SDC12097.jpg

[OS-Aussie]

Now that is a shower...... even a diesel water heater option (bit big however)

http://www.westernshelter.com/img/collections/Shower%20strip.jpg



Link to site (http://www.westernshelter.com/emergency/browse/product/155#)

[UNI]

We also use a Pett Tent Enclosure & Dry Toilet. Here is what we use for the floor, place a 6' x 8' vinyl tarp on the ground. Then we use the Wearwell Emergency Shower Mat. The inter-locking squares are 18" x 18" w/ 6" side borders. Four 18" inch mats with the 6" inch border all the way around works out to a 48" x 48" inch square mat when snapped together. (Perfect Fit) The website says the mats are available in Green & Yellow or Red & Yellow, but they are also available in Black w/Black borders. (This is what we have) Whats good about using this type of mat, the water runs through the shower mat onto the tarp and out the back of the shower enclosure. Your not standing in soapy water. The other good feature is the mat is flexible, so it lays with the contour of the ground, not teeder toddering on a rock like a ridge floor would be. When using your Pett enclosure as a restroom, the PVC mat is ridged enough to support the Pett toilet legs. Works Great!

Click Here: Wearwell Emergency Shower Mats (http://www.wearwell.com/Specialty/Mats-&-Wheel-Chocks/Emergency-Shower-Mat.html)

[Borrego60]

I like this system very ehttp://www.briefrelief.com/br_main.php?page=products&sub=products6asy to set up.alos have the toilet ect.

[CanuckMariner]

I like this system very ehttp://www.briefrelief.com/br_main.php?page=products&sub=products6asy to set up.alos have the toilet ect.

Nice find Richard!

[CanuckMariner]

Click Here: Wearwell Emergency Shower Mats (http://www.wearwell.com/Specialty/Mats-&-Wheel-Chocks/Emergency-Shower-Mat.html)

Those are great mats especially the model # 891 (http://www.wearwell.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=81&file_id=147&lang=en&page=shop.getfile&product_id=41), however quite pricey and hard to find in small sizes like 2'x2' or so. I use the rubber floor mats from my truck as the floor mat for my shower enclosure. Keeps my wet feet from getting muddy and the shower cleans the floor mats off from daily use. I put one inside the shower to stand on while showering and one outside to step on when I am done. Once the shower is done, I put them in the sun hanging over a rock or limb or the bumper, etc. to dry say over night, takes a short time and I am ready to reinstall floor mats into the truck ready to go.

As a minimalist, I am always looking at applications I carry along with me to be NON-singular, i.e. multi use to keep my load/weight down. The actual shower stall itself, I have used for potty stall, showers, female dressing/potty enclosure (small spy cam in corner :Wow1: LOL) etc.

[CanuckMariner]

Someone should shoot a good video on how to fold it back up and host it with YouTube. I did a search on the Tube, and not video for it exists yet.

I found two videos showing how to fold these but cannot find them any longer. I have attached one here but when you download change extension from xls to wmv and it will work. The other file is too big to post.

I found lots here...try searching Google video (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=folding+shower+stall&emb=0&aq=f#emb=0&q=folding+tent&view=3) and YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=folding+tent&search_type=&aq=f)

[UNI]

CanuckMariner,

We set up the shower/toilet tent w/mat & Zodi Extreme hot shower unit, when we're base camping for 4 or 5 days. Nothing feels better than a hot shower, after a day of hiking!

Alan

[CanuckMariner]

CanuckMariner,

We set up the shower/toilet tent w/mat & Zodi Extreme hot shower unit, when we're base camping for 4 or 5 days. Nothing feels better than a hot shower, after a day of hiking!

Alan

Got that right Alan! I use my Helton hot water kit and my diesel engine running all day to heat up the water. Engine stays warm for quite awhile so time to set up camp, cook and then shower, clean dishes, etc,. with the water. My shower stall (Porta-Privy) sets up in 30 seconds and folds up in about the same time. Only use it about every 3-4 days. Get two showers out of 20 L jerry can. I carry two on a rear swing out - blue for drinking, brown for showers.

[UNI]

Thats a good idea using a different color can for the shower water. That Helton unit is a great product.

Click Here: Helton Hot Water Unit (http://offroadcamping.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=12c&action=display&thread=904)

[Borrego60]

Nice find Richard!

High Jan I deliver to that company, I got about 300.00 of product,the toiltet.\.seat shelter ect for 65.00 bucks. I love the system neat and sanitary and turns everything into a gel. www.americaninnotek.com.

[CanuckMariner]

Thats a good idea using a different color can for the shower water. That Helton unit is a great product.

Click Here: Helton Hot Water Unit (http://offroadcamping.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=12c&action=display&thread=904)

Using a different coloured jerry can for shower allows for non potable water to be used without mixing them up.

The Helton can be had at www.cruiseroutfitters.com (Kurt Williams - proprietor).

[good looking ugly guy]

For those who are having a difficult time folding the privy I had to make a video as I could not find any how-to on this product. Cabellas Trekker fold a privy http://www.youtube.com/user/mpr61274?feature=mhum

Hope this helps for those who have not figured out the provided torture they call directions

[Corey]

I fold my Outback Privy a tad different, I wonder if yours folds the same way, it looks easier.
I will have to give that a try next time I pop it out.

[CanuckMariner]

For those who are having a difficult time folding the privy I had to make a video as I could not find any how-to on this product. Cabellas Trekker fold a privy http://www.youtube.com/user/mpr61274?feature=mhum

Hope this helps for those who have not figured out the provided torture they call directions

Nice video, very simply done. Compared to the instructions and other videos I have seen your's is by far the best. Thanks for sharing!:costumed-smiley-007

[haplo32]

Vince had this cool shower deck (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0014094511007a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=No=20&noImage=0&Ntt=shower&Ntk=Products&QueryText=shower&Ntx=matchall&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=4887&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.22&returnPage=search-results1.jsp) in Baja. I need to get one :). I was using my spearfishing fins to stand on.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/51/10/07/i511007sq01.jpg

I'm trying to find something to stand on while showering so that my feet don't touch the ground.
Unlike a shower deck I'd like to get something that's similar to what Paha Que sells. They call it the "drain capture floor" and is used to capture the gray water that's not allowed to touch the ground at some campsites:
http://www.pahaque.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PQWO&Product_Code=TP005&Category_Code=tepee
The problem is that the Paha Que "drain capture floor" seems to be the only product of the kind to be sold anywhere on the Net.

I also found this portable shower tray: http://www.ilcnsw.asn.au/items/6871 but it costs $345!!


Anybody knows of a similar product that sells for less than $15 - $20 ?

[Shruk]

Anybody knows of a similar product that sells for less than $15 - $20 ?

I think people get hung up on the convention of having a tray. I'm sure you're not using much water so you could just empty an action packer or whatever chuck box you use and stand in it to collect the 2-3 gallons of grey water you want to collect, then pour it into the can you emptied taking a shower. It's a bit of a hassle but it will cost you nothing and use no additional space.

[NothingClever]

I've considered using some of the GRP sand ladders in order to save space instead of buying one of the teak shower 'mats'.

As with all activities that are weight sensitive, the more uses an item has, the better it is.

[haplo32]

Does anyone have experience with the Zodi shower enclosure?

The Zodi Shower Enclosure has lots of space but it remains an enclosure. My preference, and I think most people feel that way, is to have a fully enclosed area where no one can peek from underneath or above :) so the Paha Que wins the crown in this area.
I think most women would agree with that and your wife/girlfriend is more likely to go on a trip with you if you're equipped with a fully-enclosed shower tent.