Overland Journal: Discovery I, 5-speed

[Scott Brady]

600 miles home and she drove like a dream. Centerville Land Rover (http://www.landroverutah.com/) was great to deal with. Straight forward and even double-checked everything (spare, tools, etc.) before I hit the road.

The Disco is extremely clean, and the inside is within 10% of new. Exterior was one minor ding in the rear 1/4.

Here she is... The entire build will be featured in Overland Journal (http://www.overlandjournal.com/)

Essentially, the build will come over three parts:
1. Suspension, tires and wheels. Electronics and power
2. Camp systems and storage
3. Armor and recovery. Traction and trail considerations

I really like it :)

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/new/limited_DOF_Quarter.JPG

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/new/Expeditions_West_Discovery.JPG

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/new/Discovery_quarter_view.JPG

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/new/Land_Rover_Discovery_I.JPG

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/new/First_Dirt.JPG

[Andrew Walcker]

She is beautiful, congratulations!!!

[jeffryscott]

wow, she's a beauty. Makes me miss my Disco ...

[laurie-the-lorry]

And fancy that? Its White:) :) :)

[FourByLand]

Welcome back...

:REOutArchery02:

[Willman]

Very clean Scott!

Congrads on a great find!

:)

[Northern Explorer]

Looks like you took the scenic route home. Should be a great build.

[bovw]

Great find, I'm looking forward to this build story.

[haven]

Scott,

Why did you order the steel wheels? Is there some issue with the factory alloys? Did you need a less expensive second set of wheels to mount off-road tires? Or is this a cosmetic change, sort of an "East Africa" look?

Chip Haven

[upcruiser]

Very nice. It would be interesting to see the budget of the build as well. One thing that alot of people fail to include in their builds, likely due to not keep track of expenses over the years, is total cost of the build. The $ might be helpful for those who are pondering a similar buildup.

[Scott Brady]

Scott,

Why did you order the steel wheels? Is there some issue with the factory alloys? Did you need a less expensive second set of wheels to mount off-road tires? Or is this a cosmetic change, sort of an "East Africa" look?

Chip Haven

Mostly a cosmetic change - to understate the vehicle a little more. I want this Rover to come back to it's roots (legacy) as much as possible.

I will also most likely have a road wheel set and a trail set.

[Scott Brady]

Very nice. It would be interesting to see the budget of the build as well. One thing that a lot of people fail to include in their builds, likely due to not keep track of expenses over the years, is total cost of the build. The $ might be helpful for those who are pondering a similar buildup.

I do plan on that. One of the main reasons I purchased this vehicle is the whole concept of buying "pinnacle" vehicles. Buy the vehicles that were at the pinnacle of trail performance and robustness, yet also had fuel injection and 70 mph road stability. But also buying just before the ridiculous luxo SUV phase, where everything is over-complicated and electronic.

I believe (just IMHO) that the Defender, Disco I, FZJ80, Trooper, Gen. 1 Tacoma and early 90's Truck, all of the EFI 4Runners to 2003, and maybe a few others (like the Jeep Cherokee) represent that. The vehicles were still built with the concept of utility, before the soccer mom killed the whole segments usefullness.

I will still build modern platforms, but will likely wait until a diesel is available.

It will almost certainly be a 4-door, long bed Tacoma or the JK Unlimited.

[blupaddler]

I always knew you would end up with a LR again.
Let the fun begin.
:wings:

[kcowyo]

I enjoy your build threads almost as much as your trip reports. Looking foward to seeing what you've got cooking. Your Disco lessons, if you will. ;)


White, because it makes for a better base color when shot with Camel Trophy Yellow? :26_16_2:

[Andrew Walcker]

White, because it makes for a better base color when shot with Camel Trophy Yellow? :26_16_2:

LMAO!!! ...and I thought I was the only person thinking that:)

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Scott pulls a set of brand new Michellin XZLs out of thin air!

[FourByLand]

This is going to be a cool build, I can't wait to see it come together!

:wings:

[locrwln]

Like most people on here, I have a soft spot for those and the defender series, even though they have their problems, they just speak.

Looking forward to the build.

Jack

[erod]

awesome, can't wait to see the progress!

[Roemer1]

Wow!
Creampuff was an understatement.
Nice foundation for a build, Scott.

Britt

[p1michaud]

Essentially, the build will come over three parts:
1. Suspension, tires and wheels. Electronics and power
2. Camp systems and storage
3. Armor and recovery. Traction and trail considerations


Oh boy, I'd better have a seat and watch this thread closely! :coffee:

[TACODOC]

:peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall: :peepwall:

Nice!

[ShottsCruisers]

You were always hooked on those things!

[Joaquin Suave]

Pardon my ignorance & Landi "green-ness" (I haven't had anything to do with Land Rover products since I sold my '67 109 IIA back in the early 80's)

However, weren't the Disco's known to be of "shotty" mfg. and prown to major breakdowns???

Were some years better than others???

[LC/LR4Life]

Discos are a great off road machine, and properly built will take you anywhere you want to go :arabia:

[LC/LR4Life]

Pardon my ignorance & Landi "green-ness" (I haven't had anything to do with Land Rover products since I sold my '67 109 IIA back in the early 80's)

However, weren't the Disco's known to be of "shotty" mfg. and prown to major breakdowns???

Were some years better than others???

I've had my 2002 Disco II since I drove it off the lot new, and it has never broken down or had a mechanical failure.

[Andrew Walcker]

Pardon my ignorance & Landi "green-ness" (I haven't had anything to do with Land Rover products since I sold my '67 109 IIA back in the early 80's)

However, weren't the Disco's known to be of "shotty" mfg. and prown to major breakdowns???

Were some years better than others???

If I remember correctly Rover was owned by BMW in 1995 and a lot of the bothersome Lucas electronics were replaced by Bosch units. In addition, Scott has opted for a manual and cloth interior trim package which I believe is electronically "simpler". I think that he still has power door locks and power windows, but that is about it for the creature comforts. Not sure if he is planning on making it even less electronically complicated or not. The Disco's are incredible vehicles as long as the complicated electronics don't get in the way.

[Hltoppr]

Fun truck Scott....

Maybe we can order from the same batch of diesels....

-H-

[adventureduo]

Looking good Scott. Glad you made it back safely man.

[Scott Brady]

It sat all night in the driveway and not a drop of oil :wings:

We are off to a good start.

[Andrew Walcker]

It sat all night in the driveway and not a drop of oil :wings:

We are off to a good start.

Ohhhhhh Mannnnnn, quick check and make sure there is oil in the engine!:shakin:

[datrupr]

Ohhhhhh Mannnnnn, quick check and make sure there is oil in the engine!:shakin:


LMAO!!!!!:xxrotflma


This GREAT!!! I can't wait for the build up:lurk:

[FourByLand]

Hurry Scott, lets see it with the new lift, wheels and tires!!!

Congrats on the purchase!

Just out of curiosity where do you plan to get your exterior protection?

[JPFreek1]

Congrats on the beautiful find, Scott! I always get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside when I see those D-Is.

[grouch]

Nice looking buggy, can't wait to see how many dingleberries and doodads you hang on it!

[Loras BR]

Wow!!

Will keep my eyes on it!!:clapsmile

Just wondering about the day I will have a Disco too...:wings:

Good luck on the move!!!

[MoGas]

Scott,

Why did you order the steel wheels? Is there some issue with the factory alloys? Did you need a less expensive second set of wheels to mount off-road tires? Or is this a cosmetic change, sort of an "East Africa" look?

Chip Haven


One thing I've dealt with is on trail repair ability. With steel wheels you can pound the wheel if it gets damaged. Not so much with alloys. I just had this discussion with Hltoppr where I told him that I actually prefer split rims for dedicated expedition use as they are much easier to change a tire on to than a standard rim. It is only when people don't know what they are dealing with that they die.

[MaddBaggins]

Nice find Scott. I don't know squat about Rovers, but after looking at Centervilles used stuff online, if I had 40K that used Defender 90 would be mine.

[FourByLand]

All right!!

What style did you go with, solid or with the vent holes?

What's the word on the tires?

Building the dream!

:wings:

[Scott Brady]

I picked up the solid (no holes) Defender wheels, which are 6.5" wide and have a little less off-set, which will bring back some of the stability lost with the lift and taller tires.

They are in stock and available from British Pacific (http://www.britishpacific.com/). Nice guys to deal with.

On page six of this catalog:http://www.landroverparts.us/LandRoverDiscovery/disco_cat_pages/disco1cat.pdf

Part number: ANR4636PM

I am not settled on the tires yet. The size will be 235/85 R16, and most likely in the BFG AT tread. But I might go for the MT... Undedided at the moment. :)

[FourByLand]

Yeah, they are a really good group of guys, worked with them on many occasions and got the chance to go and pick up a few items from them... A+

Those are pretty much my favorite rims, would like to find that style for the D2.

What are your plans for the interior? Storage shelves, seat removal etc.

[Green Ganesha]

British Pacific (http://www.britishpacific.com/). Nice guys to deal with.
Ditto that.


On page six of this catalog:http://www.landroverparts.us/LandRoverDiscovery/disco_cat_pages/disco1cat.pdf ...
BP is still using an old picture of my truck, at their former Burbank location, to illustrate that "Weight is the enemy!" on the brakes page (page 9)....
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[TACODOC]

What is the difference between the Discovery I and the Discovery II? How do you tell them apart at a glance?

[Scott Brady]

A few easy ones:

Length of the rear overhang
Fender flares (some DI's had flares, but they were very understated).
Door handles (DI is a flap style, while the DII is a handle style)

Other than that, they do look very similar. Even the interior.

Here is a picture of my old DII (http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/coronado_2003/images/DSC00261_JPG.jpg)

Same angle of the DI (http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/new/limited_DOF_Quarter.JPG)

[ujoint]

Don't they have different taillights as well?

[FourByLand]

Yeah, I play this game with my wife.

The taillights are higher on the DII and smaller in size on the DI.

Front marker lights are larger on the DII.

:)

[Desertoutpost]

Congrats, I will enjoy this build very much.

[david despain]

I love BP, i check out the deal of the day first thing every day to see if there is a new deal. http://www.landroverparts.us/LandRoverSpecial.html
the only mistake they have ever made on any of my orders has been to send me to many of the item i ordered! they just let me keep the stuff to make up for the mistake!



What is the difference between the Discovery I and the Discovery II? How do you tell them apart at a glance?
thats like asking how to tell the difference between a yota and a ford, cant you just tell? :shakin:

DI had swivel balls and DII has typical cv joints in a boot, sometimes you can see that if its lifted and got an aftermarket bumper.
DI has two knobs and levers for the climate controls, http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/9472A.cfm DII is all electronic. http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/9348BNV.cfm
also the DI had the plastic "pie tin" style spare tire cover http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/BTR9438MUEG.cfm if its got one its definitly a series one. if it doesnt that means it could be either.

has headlights like this..... http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/XBC501470G.cfm its a DII, and its on 03 or 04.
big round roof rack tubes like this http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10695&d=1190422238 its an 04.

all DI's had a center diff lock, the only DII w/ factory fitted diff lock was the 04. some DII's could be fitted w/ the nesecary linkage to actuate it but the later 01-03 could not. https://www.expeditionexchange.com/kit/DSC02101.jpg

[TACODOC]

thats like asking how to tell the difference between a yota and a ford, cant you just tell? :shakin:

Oh, the shame!!!

I knew it was coming but now I know!

[craig]

The DII is wider, lower, and has a longer body (not wheelbase) than a D1.

[DaktariEd]

Wow, I almost missed this thread! :oops:
Great find, Scott.
Congratulations!:wings:
Looks like you should be having fun with the build for quite some time!
I'll keep an eye on this thread...

http://www.bajataco.com/smileys/safari.gif

[FourByLand]

David,

Did you sell your rover?

[MoGas]

DI had swivel balls and DII has typical cv joints in a boot, sometimes you can see that if its lifted and got an aftermarket bumper.


Are the swivel balls similar to Birfields? I never looked that close at a Rover front axle.

[CoastalDefender]

What's the reason you chose the DI over the DII? Any significance, or just the best deal you found overall?

Very good looking rig though! The wife wants one that much more thanks to you. lol

[david despain]

David,

Did you sell your rover?

:( it went today actually. im trying to convince the wife to let me get an RRC now, but it might take a while

[jaacina]

Swivel balls are instead of an open axle with ball joints in it. Not the CV joints. Both DI and DII have CV joints, the DII is just an open front axle. They are similar to Toyota birfs yes.

The white DI looks like my old one. Other than mine had OME springs and bigger BF Goodrich tires. Same shape as well, until I got hit by the moron running a red light.


Are the swivel balls similar to Birfields? I never looked that close at a Rover front axle.

[FourByLand]

Jaacina,

Wow, that is crazy. Glad you are still alive!

[FourByLand]

:( it went today actually. im trying to convince the wife to let me get an RRC now, but it might take a while

Short wheel base?

Hope your powers are strong and you can convince her.

Good luck!

:sport_box

[FourByLand]

What's the reason you chose the DI over the DII? Any significance, or just the best deal you found overall?

Very good looking rig though! The wife wants one that much more thanks to you. lol


"I do plan on that. One of the main reasons I purchased this vehicle is the whole concept of buying "pinnacle" vehicles. Buy the vehicles that were at the pinnacle of trail performance and robustness, yet also had fuel injection and 70 mph road stability. But also buying just before the ridiculous luxo SUV phase, where everything is over-complicated and electronic. "


- Mr. Brady

[MoGas]

Swivel balls are instead of an open axle with ball joints in it. Not the CV joints. Both DI and DII have CV joints, the DII is just an open front axle. They are similar to Toyota birfs yes.

The white DI looks like my old one. Other than mine had OME springs and bigger BF Goodrich tires. Same shape as well, until I got hit by the moron running a red light.


Holy Shnikies.. Pretend you are Paul Harvey and break down the rest of the story....

Glad you are OK

Dave

[sacto_patrol]

Does the DI require premium gas like the DII?

[craig]

Does the DI require premium gas like the DII?

Not if it has a diesel in it. :)

[jeffryscott]

Does the DI require premium gas like the DII?

yes. Although lots of people don't run premium, but I've heard too much about messed up valves from not running premium, so mine always had it (one reason I sold it ... 13 mpg and premium = $$$$$$) Oh how I miss it though.

[Dolomiti]

I do plan on that. One of the main reasons I purchased this vehicle is the whole concept of buying "pinnacle" vehicles. Buy the vehicles that were at the pinnacle of trail performance and robustness, yet also had fuel injection and 70 mph road stability. But also buying just before the ridiculous luxo SUV phase, where everything is over-complicated and electronic.

I believe (just IMHO) that the Defender, Disco I, FZJ80, Trooper, Gen. 1 Tacoma and early 90's Truck, all of the EFI 4Runners to 2003, and maybe a few others (like the Jeep Cherokee) represent that. The vehicles were still built with the concept of utility, before the soccer mom killed the whole segments usefullness.

I will still build modern platforms, but will likely wait until a diesel is available.

It will almost certainly be a 4-door, long bed Tacoma or the JK Unlimited.

Awesome concept - don't forget about the mid to late 90s Montero SR ... like a poor man's landcruiser

[kcowyo]

:iagree:


I've looked long and hard at the '95 Montero SR, available with a locking differential, 3.5ltr V6, 3 way adjustable suspension, 5 speed adjustable transmission, and 3rd row seats. Some great options from a world class manufacturer. The Montero/Pajero is the most succesful vehicle in the Paris Dakar Rally.

I'm not aware of another vehicle available in the US with a manual tranny, locking diff and 3rd row seating. A Montero SR build would make a great sleeper vehicle.

[rripatti]

Hi Scott,

Thanks again for your input in my own white disco 5-speed on the other thread!

After reading your thread again, I was wondering if you plan to regear your truck given that you are going from a 29 inch tire to almost a 32" tire? if you are, what ratio where you thinking?

:)

[Green96D1]

What is the difference between the Discovery I and the Discovery II? How do you tell them apart at a glance?

heres a my disco in front and my mothers black D2

[Scott Brady]

Hi Scott,

Thanks again for your input in my own white disco 5-speed on the other thread!

After reading your thread again, I was wondering if you plan to regear your truck given that you are going from a 29 inch tire to almost a 32" tire? if you are, what ratio where you thinking?

:)

Yes, we will be installing 4.10's :) and HD axles.

[rripatti]

Awesome! I'm guessing you will be going with Great Basin Rover's combo? :)
If i remember correctly the speedo gear is taken from the transmission so with the 4:10's and 32" tires, your speedo should be pretty close to accurate reading.

or maybe im' thinking wrong, i'm such a noob haha!



Yes, we will be installing 4.10's :) and HD axles.

[Green96D1]

Awesome! I'm guessing you will be going with Great Basin Rover's combo? :)
If i remember correctly the speedo gear is taken from the transmission so with the 4:10's and 32" tires, your speedo should be pretty close to accurate reading.

or maybe im' thinking wrong, i'm such a noob haha!
I love noobs

I like helping them.:wings:

GBR is great

also for hd axles check out Rovertracks.

keith is agreat guy and his products are extremely tough

[rripatti]

haha, thanks Green96! i guess you could say i got the full blown rover fever! I'll stay with my stock axles for now but i'll be sure to speak with GBR and Rovertracks as a preventative measure:)


I love noobs

I like helping them.:wings:

GBR is great

also for hd axles check out Rovertracks.

keith is agreat guy and his products are extremely tough

[gjackson]

keith is agreat guy and his products are extremely tough

2x
And he's a forum member to boot!

cheers

[Andrew Walcker]

also for hd axles check out Rovertracks.

keith is agreat guy and his products are extremely tough

Oh great, there you go inflating Keith's head even more! :shakin:

X3, planning on his front axles.

[ckkone]

This is going to be a great thread, I friggin luv rovers..

[david despain]

http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42392
scott, you should pick this one up for spare parts or as a faster way to the enging swap.

[FourByLand]

Mr. Brady,

I was browsing this thread and took note of the lack of photos... any updates would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mr. Burrows

:)

[Andrew Walcker]

Mr. Brady,

I was browsing this thread and took note of the lack of photos... any updates would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mr. Burrows

:)

Mr. Brady:

I would concur with Mr. Burrows above request to provide us with some picture depictions of the afore-mentioned vehcile. Your prompt attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated by the readership of this esteemed site.

Yours Truly,

Mr. Walcker

:shakin:

[Green96D1]

I agree concur. pictures are a must


yours truly

Mr. Terry:wings:

[Scott Brady]

You guys are too funny :jumping:

We have lots of pictures, but you are going to need to wait until the Spring issue of Overland Journal. I am sure you understand... :)

Oh, and for those of you that get the Speed channel........... :oops:

[Redline]

I knew that was going to be his response.

Business before pleasure... but when your business is your pleasure it's pretty damn cool :-)

James



You guys are too funny :jumping:

We have lots of pictures, but you are going to need to wait until the Spring issue of Overland Journal. I am sure you understand... :)

Oh, and for those of you that get the Speed channel........... :oops:

[Scott Brady]

A quick update:

The little Disco rocks. I totally enjoy driving it, and it is running perfect, despite not having changed the distributor yet. I need to get started on PM work and fitting floor mats in all areas and some type of seat cover. Going to try to get SandStorm seat covers.

Next, I need to purchase and install a VHF/UHF radio, most likely the Yeasu FT-857 or IC-706MKIIG. The IC-208H Icom is also interesting. I will probably end up with the 706MKIIG.

After that, a way to use my iPod with the factory head unit. I still can't find a good adapter for the iPod. There are some other solutions, but not reasonably priced ones. I do not want to change the factory head unit.

I will also address navigation, which I will keep discrete and simple. Probably just mount a crossover up on the ceiling/ map light unit.

Then, things start to get more serious, so I am taking my time. I want the overall build to be very moderate and clean, so a small OME lift (sitting in the garage), discrete rock sliders, 4.10:1 gearing with GBR axles and ARB lockers in both ends. Relocate the steering dampener (ala Defender).

Bumpers, not sure. No rack, most likely. Set-up for the Adventure Trailer towing. Probably no aux. battery, just as big of an AGM as I can fit in the stock location.

Tires... Really vacillating on this. I do not want them to be too big or aggressive. I might run two sets of tires and wheels. Right now, I am considering 215/85 R16 on the NATO steel wheels and then maybe a BFG AT in 245/75 or 235/85 on a set of Outback TX-1's.

I am digging the 215/85 idea on the steelies, with the NATO wheels. Should look very stealthy, and it is the same package as a DI I drove around France for a while.

Mount a fridge and do a simple drawer system in the back for trail/recovery gear and supplies. Compressor.

That is about it. Uber clean and simple. I like this rig to much to screw it up with a bunch of farkle.

Plus, I need to get started on the Tacoma replacement, which has all but been decided :oops:

[Scott Brady]

Oh, and I have actually done some mild wheeling with the DI, including a snow slog on Friday. It is exceptionally capable in stock form, which has further influenced my desire to limit the mods. I have also had a best tankful of 19.4 mpg. That is unreal for a Land Rover.

[sinuhexavier]

I have also had a best tankful of 19.4 mpg. That is unreal for a Land Rover.

Downhill with a tailwind, I presume:) ...

[bovw]

Sounds good, looking forward to hearing/reading more.

[Scott Brady]

Downhill with a tailwind, I presume:) ...

When I was bringing it home, I took the back route through Page on secondary roads, just putting along at 55-60. The next tank was 18.7 and had some interstate. Have not checked since.

[FourByLand]

Scott,

Where do you think you will mount the Icom?

Congrat's on the MPG, that's impressive!

Do you have a photo for reference of your navigation device?

How are you planning to do descrete rock sliders?

Do you plan to carry a jumper box?

So many questions!

[Scott Brady]

Where do you think you will mount the Icom?

Not sure, most likely above the GPS, on the ceiling. Could be in the factory DIN radio spot if another idea proves to have merrit.


Congrat's on the MPG, that's impressive!

Low road speeds in a stock truck with manual trans. That will likely be its best tank until the diesel swap.


Do you have a photo for reference of your navigation device?

Magellan CrossOver is the current plan. I will remover the rubber sleeve and go plain black.


How are you planning to do descrete rock sliders?

One of the sets that replace the plastic sill piece and look simple and clean. I also like the DII ARB tube units, which can be adapted to the DI


Do you plan to carry a jumper box?
No. I will most often pull the Chaser, which has two group 31's in it. I am going to work very hard to minimize weight on the Disco for performance. :safari-rig:

[bovw]

Scott, are you going to be using MD or HD OME's?

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Congratulations on the find...You stated the same reasons as I did for buying a used platform, until an acceptable diesel comes out. I can't wait to see how yours turns out.

[Ruffin' It]

I'm very happy with my Harmon Kardon "Drive-N-Play" as an interface for my iPod. You can get an adapter to plumb it in on the same cable as your CD changer or just use the FM transmitter (works decently, but not great). Not only does the unit give you a screen that allows you to see what in on the iPod, but there is a great little hard-wired remote that is really easy to use and install.

Just a thought

[FourByLand]

Magellan CrossOver is the current plan. I will remover the rubber sleeve and go plain black.

:safari-rig:

What do you like about the CrossOver as opposed to other units you have used?

[sinuhexavier]

One of the sets that replace the plastic sill piece and look simple and clean. I also like the DII ARB tube units, which can be adapted to the DI


Unfortunate Olivares isn't making his sliders anymore... So clean and stock looking although way strong.

[Redline]

Scott:

I really like your ideas for tires, particularly the off-beat 215/85R16. If you are going to run two sets of tires/wheels, maybe some 215s for your stealth street tires and some 235s for off-highway?

What's the width of the Outback TX-1 wheels?

James



Tires... Really vacillating on this. I do not want them to be too big or aggressive. I might run two sets of tires and wheels. Right now, I am considering 215/85 R16 on the NATO steel wheels and then maybe a BFG AT in 245/75 or 235/85 on a set of Outback TX-1's.

I am digging the 215/85 idea on the steelies, with the NATO wheels. Should look very stealthy, and it is the same package as a DI I drove around France for a while.

[lowenbrau]

Congratulations on the new project. I'm often temped by Rovers and have to remind myself I'm a Cruiser guy. Its hard when there's so much diesel Brit milsurp around.

Just keep the avatar and everything will be just fine.

[Scott Brady]

Scott, are you going to be using MD or HD OME's?

I have 751's for the front

For the rear, I have 763's but plan on actually installing 762's

Much will depend on what the final load ends up being.

[Scott Brady]

Just keep the avatar and everything will be just fine.

Must first love will always be the 70 series. We will have one at some point.

[kcowyo]

That will likely be its best tank until the diesel swap....

:lurk:

[Scott Brady]

What's the width of the Outback TX-1 wheels?


7"

The NATO Steelies are 6.5"

Cooper has the STT in a 215/85... Could be my first non-BFG tire in a long time :)

[craig]

Scott,

A couple of ideas for you to ponder...

Slickrock Fabrication sliders are pretty stealth. http://www.slickrockfabrication.com/products.asp?id=11

If you go with the big 706MkIIG I can see putting it overhead as there really isn't room to put it anywhere else. If you go with the 208H, 2720h, or one of the other ones with a smaller faceplate it mounts really well just in front of the CDL shifter. It is subtle, accessible, doesn't get bumped, and doesn't feel like you are in a semi truck. I hang the microphone just to the left of it also on console tunnel, but plug it in to the radio that is mounted under the drivers seat. By connecting it directly to the radio the microphone cable doesn't clutter up the tunnel which is space that gets used heavily when road tripping. I can get a picture if you are interested.

Craig

[Redline]

All this skinny wheel and tire talk has got me thinking... Though I love my FJC TRD wheels (16x7.5) maybe I need to reconsider selling my stock 16x7 Runner wheels? Though not as cool, they won’t cost me $800.00 for a set (I have them) and they would be perfect for some of the narrower tire options.


7"

The NATO Steelies are 6.5"

Cooper has the STT in a 215/85... Could be my first non-BFG tire in a long time :)

[dallasrover]

New to your forum...love it, great information on here.
Looking forward to seeing what you will be doing to the interior for storage etc. Sounds like you are heading down the same path with your driveline/suspension as the one I now have. You cannot go wrong with any of it.

-Great Basin Rovers 4.10 gears
-Great Basin Rovers CVs
-Great Basin Rovers Front Axles
-Great Basin Rovers Front Driveshaft
-Front Range Driveline Rear Driveshaft
-Front ARB Air locker
-Rear ARB Air locker
-ARB Compressor and Lockers connected to LR factory switches
-Rovertracks Rear Axles
-Rovertym 3" Springs
-SS Brake lines
-RoverTym Front Radius Arms
-RoverTym Rear Links
-Rovertym Rear Shock Mounts
-Rovertym Rear top Spring Retainers
-Expedition Exchange Rear Lower Spring Retainers
-Rancho RS9000 w/ Adjustable Dampening
-Rancho RS5000 steering dampener/ relocated to Drag Link
-Rockware Catalytic Converters Skid Plate
-Rockware Rear U-Joint Skid Plate
-Rockware Rear Bumper
-Rockware Rock Sliders
-Fuel Tank Skid Plate

[Scott Brady]

Sounds like you are heading down the same path with your driveline/suspension as the one I now have.


-Great Basin Rovers 4.10 gears CHECK
-Great Basin Rovers CVs NOT IN THE PLANS YET
-Great Basin Rovers Front Axles NOT IN THE PLANS YET
-Great Basin Rovers Front Driveshaft CHECK
-Front Range Driveline Rear Driveshaft CHECK
-Front ARB Air locker CHECK, though maybe just rear
-Rear ARB Air locker CHECK
-ARB Compressor and Lockers connected to LR factory switches I NEED TO SEE THIS :)
-Rovertracks Rear Axles MOST LIKELY GBR, though RoverTracks rocks too
-Rovertym 3" Springs 1.5-2" OME FOR MINE
-SS Brake lines NOT IN THE PLANS YET
-RoverTym Front Radius Arms MIGHT NEED THIS FOR CASTER CORRECTION
-RoverTym Rear Links THESE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA
-Rovertym Rear Shock Mounts NEED TO INVESTIGATE
-Rovertym Rear top Spring Retainers CHECK
-Expedition Exchange Rear Lower Spring Retainers CHECK
-Rancho RS9000 w/ Adjustable Dampening OME HERE
-Rancho RS5000 steering dampener/ relocated to Drag Link OME HERE
-Rockware Catalytic Converters Skid Plate GOOD IDEA
-Rockware Rear U-Joint Skid Plate CHECK
-Rockware Rear Bumper NEED TO CHECK THAT OUT
-Rockware Rock Sliders NOT SURE WHAT TO DO HERE
-Fuel Tank Skid Plate CHECK

Thanks for the cool ideas and list. Some new solutions to investigate here.

[bovw]

New to your forum...love it, great information on here.
Looking forward to seeing what you will be doing to the interior for storage etc. Sounds like you are heading down the same path with your driveline/suspension as the one I now have. You cannot go wrong with any of it.

-Great Basin Rovers 4.10 gears
-Great Basin Rovers CVs
-Great Basin Rovers Front Axles
-Great Basin Rovers Front Driveshaft
-Front Range Driveline Rear Driveshaft
-Front ARB Air locker
-Rear ARB Air locker
-ARB Compressor and Lockers connected to LR factory switches
-Rovertracks Rear Axles
-Rovertym 3" Springs
-SS Brake lines
-RoverTym Front Radius Arms
-RoverTym Rear Links
-Rovertym Rear Shock Mounts
-Rovertym Rear top Spring Retainers
-Expedition Exchange Rear Lower Spring Retainers
-Rancho RS9000 w/ Adjustable Dampening
-Rancho RS5000 steering dampener/ relocated to Drag Link
-Rockware Catalytic Converters Skid Plate
-Rockware Rear U-Joint Skid Plate
-Rockware Rear Bumper
-Rockware Rock Sliders
-Fuel Tank Skid Plate
How about a look at this beast.:)

[dallasrover]

How about a look at this beast.:)

I will take some pics tomorrow, looks kind of plain though.......:)

[revor]

Your choice in driveline components is questionable... :sport_box :sport_box

[nwoods]

Scott, you might want to stop by Inland Rovers next time you are in SoCal. Gordon makes some nice rock sliders, SD style roof racks, and shock relocation brackets for a longer travel three link setup (I don't really understand this last one, but it sounds good).

[Andrew Walcker]

Scott, you might want to stop by Inland Rovers next time you are in SoCal. Gordon makes some nice rock sliders, SD style roof racks, and shock relocation brackets for a longer travel three link setup (I don't really understand this last one, but it sounds good).

I agree, Inland Rovers is a great resource and Gordon does make some very nice parts.

[MuddyMudskipper]

Excellent choice Scott.

This is going to be a fun one to watch.:lurk:

[gjackson]

Your choice in driveline components is questionable...

:lurk:

cheers

[4Rescue]

This is the kind of Disco I've ALWAYS wated to see. No bells and whistles to go bad on you. Only way it could be better is if it were a Diesel. Neat truck build man. Viva La no option trucks.

Cheers

Dave

[alia176]

-Rancho RS9000 w/ Adjustable Dampening OME HERE


Just an opinion, skip the OME shocks and go straight to the Bil 7100s. You'll thank me about 30,000 miles and mucho camping gear overloaded-ness later :)

[TACODOC]

Plus, I need to get started on the Tacoma replacement, which has all but been decided :oops:

Whats this??? Sounds like a hint???

[sinuhexavier]

Just an opinion, skip the OME shocks and go straight to the Bil 7100s. You'll thank me about 30,000 miles and mucho camping gear overloaded-ness later :)

X2

[Spikepretorius]

I'm fascinated. You guys have so much at your disposal over there, then you opt for Britain's Revenge.

I suppose out of the whole bunch a Disco 1 is the best option. Just put some money aside for when it breaks
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(no offence to Landy lovers. Just fascinated by the grass is greener on the otherside syndrome)

[Scott Brady]

I'm fascinated. You guys have so much at your disposal over there, then you opt for Britain's Revenge.


You know how it is... Grass is always greener on the other side. :)

Unfortunately, we do not have many expedition platforms at our disposal. No 70's, no Patrols, no 105s, no Defenders :(

[revor]

You know how it is... Grass is always greener on the other side. :)

Unfortunately, we do not have many expedition platforms at our disposal. No 70's, no Patrols, no 105s, no Defenders :(

Probably the best we could do would be a Van or a big *** SUV with more bells and whistles than a 747 (not to mention cup holders) The smallest automotive Diesel we can buy over here is a 3.0 L V6 in a Jeep and they don't put it in the new Wrangler !?!?! The rest are 6.0 or so and live in trucks and suv's that can be quite a struggle to deal with off road. My '97 F350 ate a transmission at 90K miles as did my Defender 110, seems about normal these days for tranny's new Automatics seem fail more often and are all electronic no feild repairs.. And try and buy an 80 Series without above mentioned widgets and cup holders.
We really do have bizzillions of options, we're the biggest consumer of automobles in the world! But we (as a nation) tend to get bored easily and we're easily convinced that we need a new car because now it has new widgets. It's really an automotive wastelend very few of our options lend themselve to a true multipurpose vehicle.

Sorry for the rant but everytime I think of all the Cool toys available in the ROW I get a little wound up..

[4Rescue]

Yeah Revor, I think alot of us would sell our souls for a 70 series Cruiser. But we make do eh...

[lowenbrau]

Yeah Revor, I think alot of us would sell our souls for a 70 series Cruiser. But we make do eh...

Yawn. I've got one I'd trade for a really good moose rifle or prehaps a 20 Guage double :shakin:

[revor]

Yawn. I've got one I'd trade for a really good moose rifle or prehaps a 20 Guage double :shakin:


You are a cruel man!!!!:bowdown:

[Scott Brady]

Yawn. I've got one I'd trade for a really good moose rifle or prehaps a 20 Guage double :shakin:

I have both (12 Gauge double though)... Meet me in Colorado and we will trade (bring the BJ74).

[theexile]

X2

x3 Billstiens or Fox's are a great way to go so you can tune the suspension to your load and needs.

Great project by the way.Can't Wait to see the end result.:safari-rig:

[nwoods]

I agree, Inland Rovers is a great resource and Gordon does make some very nice parts.

I should warn you Scott, if you go to Inland Rovers, Gordon will probably sell you on a custom tuned set of Fox's. He's got the set up totally dialed in, and he is very well known around here as the guy to go to for such things. I didn't mention it before because you wanted the OME's, but if you are considering the Foxes, you should put that on your list for Inland Rovers, along with their fab'd items.

[lowenbrau]

I have both (12 Gauge double though)... Meet me in Colorado and we will trade (bring the BJ74).

Hmmm...

Meet Scott in Colorado = good
Bring the BJ74 = good
trade = :oops:

There are likely a lot of shotguns out there worth what I have in the BJ74 but I'd be afraid to touch them.

[bovw]

There are likely a lot of shotguns out there worth what I have in the BJ74 but I'd be afraid to touch them.
Plus it's a heck of a lot easier to find a shotgun than a BJ74

[FourByLand]

Scott,

Any updates???

[Scott Brady]

I am working on the Chaser, adding the Espar water heater and air heater, and some other goodies. That will take me about another week.

Then, I am on the Disco project, full steam. As of now, it sits just as stock as the day I got it. I have boxes of steel wheels and suspension sitting in the garage.

I have been wheeling it though! Snow, mountains, desert. It is extremely impressive in stock form, which further inspires me to keep the build moderate.

Over the next few weeks, I will be talking with "experts in the field" about building the Disco, weaknesses, etc. The basic specification is to retain the excellent road manners while increasing the trail performance and body protection

Roseann spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel, as did Jonathan. Maybe they will chime in with some comments.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/stock_testing/disco.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/stock_testing/disco1.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/stock_testing/disco3.jpg

[adventureduo]

Dang, how'd you get your vanity plate so quickly? Takes CA like 4-5 months for ours... Ca, bunch slow pokes. Another reason to love AZ.

[Scott Brady]

Dang, how'd you get your vanity plate so quickly? Takes CA like 4-5 months for ours... Ca, bunch slow pokes. Another reason to love AZ.

Already had it... From the Jeep. AZ is so easy to change things around.

[viatierra]

This weekend I spent some time behind the wheel of a 96 D1 with 35" monster tires. It was fun in a cartoonish sort of way, but not at all necessary to make a sweet trail rig. Looking foward to see how far you go with this one!

[MuddyMudskipper]

Can't wait to see more Scott.

Everytime I see pictures of your truck it brings back memories of my first Disco.

[Green96D1]

looking good Scott

That's one of the best things about Discoveries they flex really good in standard form.

I would love to see where it goes from here.

[bigreen505]

Scott, how do the Disco and Trooper stack up on road and off?

[stevenmd]

I would love to see where it goes from here.
Yeah, Scott, get a move on!:wings:

[Scott Brady]

Scott, how do the Disco and Trooper stack up on road and off?

Hmmm...


Trooper

Pros:
Much more cargo capacity
Factory LSD
Great motor (i.e. 30 more hp and very responsive)
It has been flawless for over 100,000 miles. Just recently having a few issues.
Built like a tank (drivetrain)

Cons:
Limited front end flex
No uber cool factor

Land Rover

Pros:
Exceptional visibility
Exceptional driver position
Manual trans
3.3:1 low range
surprising low speed stability
Smooth torque delivery
Rover coolness
Great road ride
Extremely maneuverable

Cons:
No traction devise stock
Limited rear storage
Driveline wind-up
Limited high-speed trail stability due to wheelbase

In stock form, the Trooper has the advantage from larger tires (265/75 R16 stock) and a good rear LSD. However, that is purely empirical, and looses all of the "roverness" the Disco has. It is just something that must be experienced. I know it sounds goofy, but not to another Rover owner. It is very tangible how the vehicle as a system engages and compliments a driver with a certain driving method. "as slow as possible, as fast as necessary"

[MuddyMudskipper]

A long time ago I had a Trooper but always had my eye on a Discovery. I know the Rover Effect first hand.:wings:

[Redline]

Love the axle articulation and the skinny tires tucking up nicely.

[bigreen505]

However, that is purely empirical, and looses all of the "roverness" the Disco has. It is just something that must be experienced. I know it sounds goofy, but not to another Rover owner.

No, that makes sense. I love the Trooper, but it was a consolation prize because the Rover world didn't quite work out. Never drove it though.

[SeaRubi]

Scott: stock is the new elitism :)

* 215/85's in your choice of tread.

* upgrade the rear trailing links. mandatory upgrade here.

* refresh all the bushings, TRE's with genuine parts.

* use genuine LR 1" lift rear springs. I had these on the front of my RRC and loved them. If you're really interested in following my advice here, I will come up with the part # for you.

* retrofit a new $450 Boge strut + hardware from a RRC. the strut has to be new. it will support nearly 1/2 ton and is self leveling. Mine worked great! After 100k people ditch them, foolishly, and then put on stiff arse springs and complain about articulation. ask me how i know. This is nonsense! Stick to the stock spring rates and make use of LR's common sense with the strut.

* get new genuine front springs, use 1" aluminum spacer if required to offset bumper/winch.

* leave the stock swaybars connected and be sure you include new bushes for them at the frame mounts.

* as much axle as you can afford from Keith + ARB's on both ends.

* upgraded steering linkages from DAP-INC part# BA222 ($195)

* Use rangie spec Genuine WOODHEAD replacements for the shocks on all 4 corners. I think these old woodheads are just as tough as OME, and they ride great.

You're done. looks stock, rides about like stock, and is plenty capable for what you want.

I built my RRC twice, effectively. If I were starting over again with a D1 or RRC this is the route I'd go.


... bring on the H8rs. :rockon:

edit: SeaRover out.

[Scott Brady]

Good to see you around ;)

[K2RVR]

Yeah Ike! Lot's of truth in your plan there... simple mods for a very capable rig from stock!

[FourByLand]

I need some updates.

:)

[MuddyMudskipper]

I need some updates.

:)

Yeah, what he said!

[Scott Brady]

Cool parts keep piling up :)

No time to install them :(

I do drive it all the time though. A great little machine.

[MuddyMudskipper]

Cool parts keep piling up :)

No time to install them :(

I do drive it all the time though. A great little machine.

So the truck is virtually built, eh? Just very curious to know what you have going on that's all.

[FourByLand]

You won't be installing a rack at all will you? Did you decide what bumpers? How will you configure the rear?

[michaelgroves]

I've had a few Discovery 1s which I've used for expeditions to North Africa, but also needed as daily drivers. One cheap and, in my experience, very worthwhile suspension add-on is a pair of air bags in the rear springs.


Improves on-road handling (reduced body roll) when fully inflated.
Reduces the rolling, soggy suspension feeling when the vehicle is heavily laden.
Gives full axle articulation when needed, by deflating.
Allows you to do away with the anti-sway bars.
Very tough - only ever had one fail, including 120,000km on the 4 of them fitted to my 6x6 Defender.
Small volume, so inflating and deflating takes seconds.
Non critical, so no need for spares or contingency arrangements.
Cheap.
Easy to fit (around an hour per side, total).
Provides a couple of inches of body lift/drop for fine tuned levelling when sleeping in a rooftent!


I've never bothered with plumbing it into the compressor, I just routed the thin little air pipes to a convenient place (on my Disco towbar plate, in fact) to mount a pair of standard shrader valves. Then they can be deflated at will, and inflated using any tyre pump, with your on-board air, or even just at a service station.

I keep them pumped up fairly hard all the time, as they have no noticeable effect for the first few inches of spring travel, which is ideal.

For under $200 total (I'd guess even cheaper in the States), they are one of the most useful bits of kit to have installed. I'd guess there are a couple of brands available - mine were made by Air Lift, IIRC.

[Redline]

I agree with your list of positive points. I have air-bag overload springs (Firestone) in the rear coils on my 4Runner. I love the load flexibility and ride.


I've had a few Discovery 1s which I've used for expeditions to North Africa, but also needed as daily drivers. One cheap and, in my experience, very worthwhile suspension add-on is a pair of air bags in the rear springs.


Improves on-road handling (reduced body roll) when fully inflated.
Reduces the rolling, soggy suspension feeling when the vehicle is heavily laden.
Gives full axle articulation when needed, by deflating.
Allows you to do away with the anti-sway bars.
Very tough - only ever had one fail, including 120,000km on the 4 of them fitted to my 6x6 Defender.
Small volume, so inflating and deflating takes seconds.
Non critical, so no need for spares or contingency arrangements.
Cheap.
Easy to fit (around an hour per side, total).
Provides a couple of inches of body lift/drop for fine tuned levelling when sleeping in a rooftent!


I've never bothered with plumbing it into the compressor, I just routed the thin little air pipes to a convenient place (on my Disco towbar plate, in fact) to mount a pair of standard shrader valves. Then they can be deflated at will, and inflated using any tyre pump, with your on-board air, or even just at a service station.

I keep them pumped up fairly hard all the time, as they have no noticeable effect for the first few inches of spring travel, which is ideal.

For under $200 total (I'd guess even cheaper in the States), they are one of the most useful bits of kit to have installed. I'd guess there are a couple of brands available - mine were made by Air Lift, IIRC.

[revor]

Just to get a better clue as to this way you guys are using your bags.
Are you mounting them firmly above and letting them "dangle" down onto the rear coil mount on the axle. Even retained I fear the suspension on my Disco would tear an airbag apart while the axle was "drooping"
That said if the bags are not retained at the lower point they must remain firm enough not to get tangled up in the spring and get eaten alive.

Looking into airbags in the past it seems that none that I found ( I really didn't look that hard) would have the kind of travel needed to work if retained on both ends.

[Scott Brady]

Michael,

Thank you for the feedback on airbags. With this discovery, we will end up with a pretty consistent load. I suppose my goal is to favor simplicity and balance with this build. Overall, it will be pretty functional and highly roadable and comfortable on long driving trips.

My intentions were somewhat different in the beginning, but now I am so happy with the Discovery, even stock that I want the build to be quite moderate.

I am spoiling a bit here (as this will come in the Summer issue of Overland Journal), but I have the following items scheduled.

ARB Non-SRS Bumper
Winch (undecided, but I have a feeling I will deviate from my M8000 standard)
OME suspension for about 1.5" lift
215/85 BFG AT on NATO steel wheels and 245/75 BFG MT on TX1 aluminum.
ARB side steps
TJM rear bumper, most likely
Rear drawer system (a new, trick design) with a National Luna fridge
ARB rear locker with GBR axles
Several suspension enhancements including spring retainers and HD steering components. Front axle rebuild, etc.
HID lighting on the front bumper (small)
The biggest AGM battery I can fit in the engine compartment
Icom 706
Factory floor mats
Sandstorm seatcovers
GPS (undecided)
Some cool radio integration for my iPod, yet retains the factory radio.

Some things I have decided against:
Swaybar disconnects
Dual batteries
Front locker
Roof rack

This will be the big phase one. Phase two will be the diesel motor and new transmission, which will probably happen after South America.

[Green96D1]

wow that list sound great!

That is definitely a expedition setup.:bowdown:

[stevenmd]

ARB Non-SRS BumperUnless ARB is a sponsor, I'd pass on their front bumper. I have seen them take slight hits and move up/down.



Winch (undecided, but I have a feeling I will deviate from my M8000 standard)
Think 9000+:coffeedrink:

Nice list, though.:friday:

[michaelgroves]

Just to get a better clue as to this way you guys are using your bags.
Are you mounting them firmly above and letting them "dangle" down onto the rear coil mount on the axle. Even retained I fear the suspension on my Disco would tear an airbag apart while the axle was "drooping"
That said if the bags are not retained at the lower point they must remain firm enough not to get tangled up in the spring and get eaten alive.

Looking into airbags in the past it seems that none that I found ( I really didn't look that hard) would have the kind of travel needed to work if retained on both ends.

The Air lift ones don't get retained - I put them roughly in the middle of the coil, and then put the whole thing back onto its mount, with the nylon inserts (supplied with the bags) top and bottom. They just seem to find their own position whenever the suspension flexes or extends.

When the suspension droops, of course the bags are nowhere near the ends of the coils - they seem to sit more or less at the top for some reason. It's only when the spring comes under more-than-usual compression, that the bags start working hard.

I was amazed that the coils didn't rub through the bags in short order - my first set was really something of a gamble, but I figured there really wasn't much downside, even if they only lasted a few thousand miles. In point of fact, as I say, I got more like 75K miles of *hard* work out of them on my expedition 6x6.

[Redline]

Good job spoiling us :-)

Hope to see it someday with the skinny 215s on it!

Interesting that you are doing only a rear locker. I assume to save stress on the front and because it would rarely be used?
Are you not going to dig into the front differential at all?


Michael,

Thank you for the feedback on airbags. With this discovery, we will end up with a pretty consistent load. I suppose my goal is to favor simplicity and balance with this build. Overall, it will be pretty functional and highly roadable and comfortable on long driving trips.

My intentions were somewhat different in the beginning, but now I am so happy with the Discovery, even stock that I want the build to be quite moderate.

I am spoiling a bit here (as this will come in the Summer issue of Overland Journal), but I have the following items scheduled.

ARB Non-SRS Bumper
Winch (undecided, but I have a feeling I will deviate from my M8000 standard)
OME suspension for about 1.5" lift
215/85 BFG AT on NATO steel wheels and 245/75 BFG MT on TX1 aluminum.
ARB side steps
TJM rear bumper, most likely
Rear drawer system (a new, trick design) with a National Luna fridge
ARB rear locker with GBR axles
Several suspension enhancements including spring retainers and HD steering components. Front axle rebuild, etc.
HID lighting on the front bumper (small)
The biggest AGM battery I can fit in the engine compartment
Icom 706
Factory floor mats
Sandstorm seatcovers
GPS (undecided)
Some cool radio integration for my iPod, yet retains the factory radio.

Some things I have decided against:
Swaybar disconnects
Dual batteries
Front locker
Roof rack

This will be the big phase one. Phase two will be the diesel motor and new transmission, which will probably happen after South America.

[kcowyo]

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/newsletter/2008/march27/gday2.jpg

[FourByLand]

Somebody went too far...

[MuddyMudskipper]

What the....?!?!

[MaddBaggins]

Scott, do you need me to drive up there one weekend and help you get the mods underway? :Mechanic: Just say the word man!

[cshontz]

You're a handsome chap, KC.

[nwoods]

Interesting, why not a roof rack? I understand the perils of being top heavy, are you relying on pulling the Adventure Trailer with it's roof tent?

[Scott Brady]

Interesting, why not a roof rack? I understand the perils of being top heavy, are you relying on pulling the Adventure Trailer with it's roof tent?

Exactly... The beauty of the trailer configuration.

This Disco is about as much simplicity and balance as I can manage.

I have another project that is already in progress that will be my primary expedition rig, so the Disco is about flexibility and balance between trail performance, road performance and reliability. :)

I also don't know if I mentioned this, but one of the things I really like about the Disco is that it is not built to the hilt with huge tires and an endless list of trail mods. As a driver, I have to work harder and that has brought back a lot of the fun for me. My Tacoma and my previous Jeep were so insanely capable that it just became point and shoot. I want the Disco to be more pure, and with an emphasis on recovery capability (i.e., a big winch and an extensive recovery kit).

It is just a different approach that appeals to me at this point.

[stevenmd]

As a driver, I have to work harder and that has brought back a lot of the fun for me.
Exactly my response when people ask me why my truck isn't locked up.:clapsmile

[silverscout]

Some things I have decided against:
Dual batteries
Front locker


Why not dual batteries? All too often I've seen a dead battery occur from over winching. What’s the theory behind this decision?

[Alaska Mike]

Currently I run a single Optima Red Top with a high-output alternator, and I winch for greater durations than Scott is likely to see with the Disco. I have a dual-battery tray, and have run dual Optimas before, but even with the frequent, extended winching I do, I have yet to kill a battery through winching. When it gets low, I take a break from winching and charge it a bit.

Scott's philosophy for this rig is very similar to mine on my Series III, in that sometimes it's more fun to get stuck. I found this out several years ago when I bought a bone-stock CJ-7 and took it out on the trail. It made a trail that was a snore for me in my CJ-5 a real challenge. I had to be more conscious of line and speed, and I was more engaged throughout the trip. It was a nice awakening to the capabilities of a stock rig, after years of big/aggressive tires, lockers, and all kinds of aftermarket goodies.

A vehicle extraction is an exercise in problem solving, and one I find to be a lot of fun.

[IH8RDS]

That is the same reason I went with the ARB Lockers. Some days I just want to run open open.

Scott, you might want to consider installing a selectable locker up front. You will not be able to tell its there and has zero effects on streetability when turned off. I would rather have it and not use it then need it and not have it.

[Scott Brady]

Why not dual batteries? All too often I've seen a dead battery occur from over winching. What’s the theory behind this decision?

Weight and complexity, but please do not see my decision to forgo a dual-battery system on this vehicle as a reason not to install one. The spec. for this build just does not call for one IMO.

This vehicle will be used with my Adventure Trailer which has a 240ah battery fitted, and this Disco is also a manual trans, which lends itself to push starting too.

My choice to not fit a dual-battery system in this Discovery is only because of my goals for this truck, which is weight savings and simplicity. On my primary expedition vehicle, it will have three batteries total.

The Discovery will be fitted with a group 31 AGM (most likely), which will give 105ah of reserve. That is significant battery power. All accessories will be connected to a low voltage cut-off to prevent over-discharge.

[Scott Brady]

Scott, you might want to consider installing a selectable locker up front. You will not be able to tell its there and has zero effects on streetability when turned off. I would rather have it and not use it then need it and not have it.

I still might at some point, but not as part of the initial build.

This Disco is more about a minimalist approach. Basic functionality in an effort to preserve as much of the road performance as possible and minimize complexity.

Again, there is nothing wrong with putting a selectable locker in the front diff. it is just something I chose to not do for this specification. I do not plan on running any trails harder than 3.0 (intentionally), so a front locker is really not needed.

I have toyed with running the Dusy Ershim trail after the diesel swap, but I still do not think a front locker is necessary for that trail if a good winch is available. Just pull cable and save the drivetrain ;)

[Green96D1]

I still might at some point, but not as part of the initial build.

This Disco is more about a minimalist approach. Basic functionality in an effort to preserve as much of the road performance as possible and minimize complexity.

Again, there is nothing wrong with putting a selectable locker in the front diff. it is just something I chose to not do for this specification. I do not plan on running any trails harder than 3.0 (intentionally), so a front locker is really not needed.

I have toyed with running the Dusy Ershim trail after the diesel swap, but I still do not think a front locker is necessary for that trail if a good winch is available. Just pull cable and save the drivetrain ;)

The Dusy Ershim is a hard trail!. I would love to do that trail but lack of Sliders and a HD frontbumper is keepin me from hitting it!

and I agree with you about the Drivetrain!

[Scott Brady]

I look forward to running the Dusy with this Rover. From what I understand, it is a touch more difficult than the Rubicon. I would consider the Rubicon quite doable with a lightly built Disco with some armor and a patient driver

[stevenmd]

Couple of the guys in our club run it every year. Check out the website, perhaps you can make it out for the run.:rally_guys:

[Green96D1]

I look forward to running the Dusy with this Rover. From what I understand, it is a touch more difficult than the Rubicon. I would consider the Rubicon quite doable with a lightly built Disco with some armor and a patient driver


I heard that it is too! :iagree:

A 2-3 inch lift
bigger tires. choice wise most would say MT's
Armor (bumpers ,diff guards,rock sliders)
rear locker. good spotter

is basically all that one needs to do the Rubicon in a Land Rover

[Roemer1]

Hmmm... Pierce worm drive sounds like a cool option for the winch.

I think that the choices for your build are spot on considering your criteria. You will get the majority of trail capability increase from the rear locker and, in my opinion, the Discovery in stock form is quite capable of anything you wish to tackle. You may reconsider the swaybar disconnects after you have installed the HD springs but that is the beauty of the whole process. Nothing need be carved in stone, if you try it and don't like it, then change it.

[stevenmd]

I haven't run sway bars on any of my rovers once I switched to HD springs, never noticed a difference. ...if you notice a difference, I figure you're driving like a sports car, not a landie...:bike_rider:

[Roemer1]

I agree, but the person that has to be happy with this build is Scott, so the final decisions are up to him and neither of us is capable of determining what that magic combination is... :)

Britt

[stevenmd]

I agree, but the person that has to be happy with this build is Scott, so the final decisions are up to him and neither of us is capable of determining what that magic combination is... :)

Britt
Of course, I did not mean to imply that I was telling Scott what to do.:violent-smiley-031: :jump:

[MuddyMudskipper]

I look forward to running the Dusy with this Rover. From what I understand, it is a touch more difficult than the Rubicon. I would consider the Rubicon quite doable with a lightly built Disco with some armor and a patient driver

I have ARB's front and rear and rarely use the front. I did the front since I was doing the gears and as a "nice to have just in case" piece of equipment. A rear is plenty good IMO. Scott, when you go out to Dusy and you want some company let me know. I've never been and I'd love to get out there some time.:ylsmoke:

[Roemer1]

:oops: Sorry Stevenmd,
I didn't mean to sound reprimanding either.

[silverscout]

My choice to not fit a dual-battery system in this Discovery is only because of my goals for this truck, which is weight savings and simplicity.


I get it, there is a charm and sense of adventure with simplicity. Especially when thinking in terms of your vehicle. I know for a fact that your Disco has great capabilities in stock form and is truly amazing. The diff lock alone is a fantastic aid. I also know that some of these primitive roads in Central and South America are as tough as they get. I recall the blokes from Ihana http://www.ihana.com/big_trip/stuck/stuck_20020828.htmgetting into some hairy situations where I'm sure they wished they had a winch or lockers. I'm sure you adventure will be just as fantastic though. All the best!

[Scott Brady]

The Disco is not going to South America :) It will just be used for my "daily driver" and fun trail machine.

The vehicle I am taking to South America has lockers F/R and three batteries total, along with all kinds of other goodies.

[Scott Brady]

R/E the swaybars.

I will take the rear off when I install the suspension. It will see a lot of highway, so time will tell if I want one in the front or not. I will probably just keep it on.

The truck does great on the trail even stock. With the addition of more clearance and a rear locker and good tires, I am sure it will exceed my expectations for the intent of the build.

[stevenmd]

:oops: Sorry Stevenmd,
I didn't mean to sound reprimanding either.
No worries! I did not take it that way, I just didn't want to be misunderstood myself. See you out on the trail!:smiley_drive:

Scott - since you usually pull a trailer, you probably won't miss the sway bars much once you switch springs. If you were to load up the roof rack, you might want to keep them, depending on your driving style. I load up my roof rack quite a bit (I have no choice being a family of six!) and with the 3" RTE springs I did not notice a difference. In fact, I went to take them off and when I crawled underneath to do it, I had forgotten that I had already taken them off!:hehe:

[craig]

It sounds like Scott has a very balanced build planned that will suit the intended vehicle use perfectly.

I found that removing the rear swaybar made no difference in on-road handling. When I removed the front I didn't notice any difference until I drove it in the wind. The truck blows about quite a bit now; enough so that my wife won't drive it unless she absolutely has to. Although I found them to be a bit of a hassle, I'm going to put the quick disconnects back on and only disconnect them when running trails... or for most trails, not at all.

I have a complete 3" RTE HD lift w/ Bilstein 7100 shocks and have been running it for 2.5 years as a daily driver and easy to moderate trail rig.

[sinuhexavier]

Yes, I have to agree, the only place I notice the loss of sway bars would be in the wind. I like to call it involuntary lane changes.

The worst situation I have come across is when passing a semi during a windy day. It feels like nice and calm when riding along inside the giants wind shadow, as I approach the cab I brace myself as I know that once I clear the cab, it's going to get interesting.

[FourByLand]

Are diesel swaps allowed in AZ?

What are the stipulations.

[Scott Brady]

Are diesel swaps allowed in AZ?

What are the stipulations.

Well, it really depends on what county you live in.

The diesel swap for my Disco will happen either during or after my SA trip. For now, my focus is on building the EarthRoamer, though I will perform the first set of modifications on the DI

[FourByLand]

Will you have it done locally or out of state.

Congrats on the ER, sorry you won't be doing it in the D1 but I know Stephanie will like the comforts alot more!

What will you be doing to the D1 to begin with?

:arabia:

[revor]

If you look closely you will notice that the front sway bar on a D1,RRC or Defender will limit downtravel significantly.

You normally find out the first time you droop the front passenger wheel with a lift and longer shocks on the car. Generally a nice shiny bare steel ring on the driveshaft.

[Scott Brady]

What will you be doing to the D1 to begin with?

:arabia:

In all reality, I love this vehicle even in stock form, so modifications are going to be very slow and tempered. I am going to start with the suspension and shocks and steering stabilizer, as it needs that most. Then I will install the NATO wheels and 215/85 tires. Next will come all of the bumpers, side steps and rear locker...

Right now, it is just about available time.

[MuddyMudskipper]

Then I will install the NATO wheels and 215/85 tires. Next will come all of the bumpers, side steps and rear locker...

What tires are you going to be running?

[Andrew Walcker]

SB, I gotta say that in person it is the cleanest pre-loved Disco I've ever seen, pictures don't do it justice! Looking forward to following her (already have it pegged as a girl for some reason:) ) on a trail soon. :beer:

[Alaska Mike]

I was a little worried you were going to go straight to the 235/85s and miss out on all of the fun to be had with the stocker. Now I see I had no reason to worry. As this is the Steph DD for now, I guess it needs to be relatively moderate to keep operating expenses down and street-worthiness high.

I am also curious as to the specific tires you are planning, since I don't see a whole lot of BFG options available in that size.

If you ever get a weekend to wrench on it, post up some pictures. We'd love to see them.

[Scott Brady]

Ok, quick update:

Phase One:

ARB Front Bumper- Installed
M8000 Warn- Almost installed
Rovers North Rear Bumper- Installed
OME Suspension (F-751, R-762)- Installed
OME Steering Damper- Installed
EE Spring Retainers- Installed
LR Genuine Spring Isolators (F&R)- Installed
Sandstorm seat covers- Installed
LR Genuine Floor Mats- Installed
LR Genuine NATO wheels (black)- Tuesday
LR Genuine steel lug nuts (black)- Tuesday
BFG AT (245/75 R16)- Tuesday
Lightforce HID- Soon

Much to my horror, the 215/85 BFG AT is no longer available. So, the 245/75 is my next choice, and a nice size for the Disco IMO. It measures as 30.5 x 9.8 (on a 7" rim), so on a 6.5" rim, it will likely measure 9.5".

The seat covers are awesome.


Pictures and details in the Fall issue of Overland Journal. I will post more details once the article has run. It will also be at the LRNR and at SEMA.

Phase II- Just before SEMA

Rock Sliders- TBD, still looking for a classy solution
Rear Lower Links HD- RoverTraks
Drag Link and Tie Rod HD- RoverTraks
Differential Covers- Still need to find a good solution
Great Basin Rovers Axle Shafts
Great Basin Rovers 3.9 or 4.1 Axle Gearing
ARB Rear Locker
Compressor
Great Basin Rovers 4.7:1 Low Range Kit
Larger AGM main battery with low-voltage cutoff (no dual-battery system planned)
Adventure Trailers new drawer system
National Luna Fridge
HAM Radio
Navigation Solution
iPod integration Solution, using factory radio
LR Genuine Switches for lights, etc.
235/85 R16 BFG MT on Outback TX1 wheels (for SEMA only)
Tool Kit and Spares Kit
Recover Kit

Despite the long list here, the vehicle will overall be a mild build, and I will gladly remove anything from the list that compromises the reliability and driveability goals of the project.

As I have mentioned to many of you, this Discovery is a very personal project for me, and a vehicle I have loved and longed for since driving the first one in 1995. The '01 DII I owned just didn't work, but this '95 is pure love! Only the best for this little beauty will do :)

A huge thanks to Jeremy and Tim for working on the Disco while I was traveling. It looks awesome. And a huge thanks to Ho from Expedition Exchange for all of the excellent advise, and for threatening to do me bodily harm if I screwed this pristine Disco up ;) In addition, thanks to Keith from Rovertraks for the diesel advise and for understanding my goals with this project (i.e., not a rock crawler) and suggesting HD components that can greatly improve reliability. Thanks to Bill from Great Basin for the tour, and for letting me sit in the 130 and make diesel noises.

Onward!

oh, and I promise to post a pre-Overland Journal teaser in the next couple days, once the tires are installed.

[bigreen505]

Can't wait to see it. Shrockworks used to make a set that looked totally stock. That is what I was planning to put the (admittedly over-priced) Disco that got snatched out from under me (why I bought the Trooper). I don't see them on their site now, but they looked like an extension of the body -- totally blended in. However, I prefer a slider that sticks out a bit from the body and these did not, but hey, with form like that, function becomes a close second.

This build is a little painful to watch, makes me want a Rover again, but deep down I know they are too small for my needs. Sigh. Maybe I should bug Pangaea for pics of the one I almost bought, he had a bunch on his site. It was built much like the plan you have outlined. My only solace is from a friend who works at a Rover dealership and says that one has been coming in with a lot of problems and rattles lately. Ah well, sorry for the hijack.

[Desertdude]

:lurk: :lurk:

Spy photos :bigbossHL:

[bovw]

The Fall issue ships when?:lurk:

[SOAZ]

Your welcome Scott. I love the stick shift on that truck. The power is really nice compared to what I expected. Very smooth and pretty darn quick for such a heavy vehicle. The ride is nice and firm, but great riding with the new ome.
Those spring retainers are the devil to install, but great quality!!!!

I can't wait to see those rims and tires on there. That will complete the look!




Ok, quick update:

Phase One:

ARB Front Bumper- Installed
M8000 Warn- Almost installed
Rovers North Rear Bumper- Installed
OME Suspension (F-751, R-762)- Installed
OME Steering Damper- Installed
EE Spring Retainers- Installed
LR Genuine Spring Isolators (F&R)- Installed
Sandstorm seat covers- Installed
LR Genuine Floor Mats- Installed
LR Genuine NATO wheels (black)- Tuesday
LR Genuine steel lug nuts (black)- Tuesday
BFG AT (245/75 R16)- Tuesday
Lightforce HID- Soon

Much to my horror, the 215/85 BFG AT is no longer available. So, the 245/75 is my next choice, and a nice size for the Disco IMO. It measures as 30.5 x 9.8 (on a 7" rim), so on a 6.5" rim, it will likely measure 9.5".

The seat covers are awesome.


Pictures and details in the Fall issue of Overland Journal. I will post more details once the article has run. It will also be at the LRNR and at SEMA.

Phase II- Just before SEMA

Rock Sliders- TBD, still looking for a classy solution
Rear Lower Links HD- RoverTraks
Drag Link and Tie Rod HD- RoverTraks
Differential Covers- Still need to find a good solution
Great Basin Rovers Axle Shafts
Great Basin Rovers 3.9 or 4.1 Axle Gearing
ARB Rear Locker
Compressor
Great Basin Rovers 4.7:1 Low Range Kit
Larger AGM main battery with low-voltage cutoff (no dual-battery system planned)
Adventure Trailers new drawer system
National Luna Fridge
HAM Radio
Navigation Solution
iPod integration Solution, using factory radio
LR Genuine Switches for lights, etc.
235/85 R16 BFG MT on Outback TX1 wheels (for SEMA only)
Tool Kit and Spares Kit
Recover Kit

Despite the long list here, the vehicle will overall be a mild build, and I will gladly remove anything from the list that compromises the reliability and driveability goals of the project.

As I have mentioned to many of you, this Discovery is a very personal project for me, and a vehicle I have loved and longed for since driving the first one in 1995. The '01 DII I owned just didn't work, but this '95 is pure love! Only the best for this little beauty will do :)

A huge thanks to Jeremy and Tim for working on the Disco while I was traveling. It looks awesome. And a huge thanks to Ho from Expedition Exchange for all of the excellent advise, and for threatening to do me bodily harm if I screwed this pristine Disco up ;) In addition, thanks to Keith from Rovertraks for the diesel advise and for understanding my goals with this project (i.e., not a rock crawler) and suggesting HD components that can greatly improve reliability. Thanks to Bill from Great Basin for the tour, and for letting me sit in the 130 and make diesel noises.

Onward!

oh, and I promise to post a pre-Overland Journal teaser in the next couple days, once the tires are installed.

[Navman]

This Disco is about as much simplicity and balance as I can manage.

I have another project that is already in progress that will be my primary expedition rig, so the Disco is about flexibility and balance between trail performance, road performance and reliability. :)

I also don't know if I mentioned this, but one of the things I really like about the Disco is that it is not built to the hilt with huge tires and an endless list of trail mods. As a driver, I have to work harder and that has brought back a lot of the fun for me. My Tacoma and my previous Jeep were so insanely capable that it just became point and shoot. I want the Disco to be more pure, and with an emphasis on recovery capability (i.e., a big winch and an extensive recovery kit).

It is just a different approach that appeals to me at this point.

I can't believe in all of my lurking here that I haven't seen this post. Now that I've come out of the shadows I may as well use my first post on a Rover.

I have a '96 Disco and have the exact same philosophy. In the 8 years that we've owned it, the Disco spent more time on my wife's shopping expeditions (how does that happen??) than tasting dirt. I've since regained ownership and want to do a sensible and relatively cheap mod. After some expensive repairs at 60k, it has been relatively trouble free for the last 90k. Also with this high mileage I don't want to put too much money into it even though it runs great.

I also plan on building a different primary expedition rig so I want to keep the Disco simple and light and enjoy it as it is. Thanks for doing the homework for me Scott. I'm sure I will do a lot of the same as you are (and already planned to).

Now, just if I can afford an Earth Roamer...

[Scott Brady]

I am pleased...

Other than the sliders, and other minor interior details, the Disco will never look much different than this on the exterior. My goal was to keep it simple and functional - clean. It drives perfect with the small lift, and despite my disappointment from the 215/85 not being available, I believe the 245/75 will actually be a much better tire overall.

More details on the specific parts used, etc., in the Fall issue of Overland Journal ;)

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/DI_PhaseI_Fquarter.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/DI_PhaseI_Rquarter.jpg

[Green96D1]

she looks good:punk03:

[Purple People Eater]

Scott,

Assuming those 245/75's are E-rated, how's the ride? I'm sure the OME didn't hinder the cushness at all, but these are the tires I'm debating whether or not to put on my Cherokee due to the weight rating. Are they too hard?

The Discovery looks terrific, well done.:elkgrin:

[SeaRubi]

looking good, Scott. Reminds me a lot of Dan's WLDKGDM II. Are you going to black out the hood?

[Scott Brady]

Scott,

Assuming those 245/75's are E-rated, how's the ride? I'm sure the OME didn't hinder the cushness at all, but these are the tires I'm debating whether or not to put on my Cherokee due to the weight rating. Are they too hard?

The Discovery looks terrific, well done.:elkgrin:

They are E-rated, but the ride is great. Being a coiler, the Disco rides well anyways, but the tires seem compliant enough. Of course, the Disco is quite a bit heavier than the XJ, so it might be a bit different for you.

On the 6.5" wide wheels, the 245mm looks nice and narrow. I need to take it out and test the flex, and see if any minor trimming is required.

[desertgirl66]

The Discovery looks amazing! A clean, beautiful machine ready for an adventure :coffeedrink:

[ShottsCruisers]

Brady = Disco = White

Deja Vu? (Just a different series)

:victory:

[Blair G]

Disco is looking great. Need to get some OME's for my kid hauler.

Blair

[Best4x4xfar]

It drives perfect with the small lift, and despite my disappointment from the 215/85 not being available, I believe the 245/75 will actually be a much better tire overall.

Not to question your vast knowledge, but IMHO 235/85's are the perfect size for a mildly lifted Discovery. I miss my '96, 3" of lift (OME 764 ft, 759 rr) and 235/85 M/T's. Even with sway bars removed it handled beautifully on and off road..

I tried to attach a photo, but haven't been able to get that to work for awhile.. [edit] got it to work..

[Hltoppr]

Perfecto!

-H-

[FourByLand]

Very clean and authentic!

[Scott Brady]

Not to question your vast knowledge, but IMHO 235/85's are the perfect size for a mildly lifted Discovery. I miss my '96, 3" of lift (OME 764 ft, 759 rr) and 235/85 M/T's. Even with sway bars removed it handled beautifully on and off road..


Thank you for the compliment, but my knowledge is certainly limited on Land Rovers. I do agree that the 235/85 is a better tire for a trail favored solution, but it would have required more trimming and would look less "stealthy" (i.e. look and be more aggressive, which can be a good thing). I am just forging a bit different path with this DI, a more subtle path ;)

Ho from EE has been a huge help on this project, as those guys have a pretty solid grasp on how to build a clean, functional and balanced Discovery, though we do differ on the roof rack subject :hehe:

I am planning to install a 235/85 mud tire on the Outback TX1 wheels I have in the garage. There will be 7 of them total, for the Disco and the trailer, which will be on display at SEMA.

It is really quite funny, but I am more anal and measured about this Discovery than any other vehicle I have owned. I suppose it is because I really, really like it, and it is so pristine and reliable that I do not want to mess it up...

[Purple People Eater]

It is really quite funny, but I am more anal and measured about this Discovery than any other vehicle I have owned. I suppose it is because I really, really like it, and it is so pristine and reliable that I do not want to mess it up...

That's how I feel and how I'm going to approach my next build. That's the best approach, I believe.

[Best4x4xfar]

Thank you for the compliment, but my knowledge is certainly limited on Land Rovers. I do agree that the 235/85 is a better tire for a trail favored solution, but it would have required more trimming and would look less "stealthy" (i.e. look and be more aggressive, which can be a good thing). I am just forging a bit different path with this DI, a more subtle path ;)

Ho from EE has been a huge help on this project, as those guys have a pretty solid grasp on how to build a clean, functional and balanced Discovery, though we do differ on the roof rack subject :hehe:

I thought mine was still pretty stealthy looking, most people wouldn't have realized it was lifted unless parked next to a stock one. Maybe I was lucky, I didn't end up with enough rubbing (I did run 1.25" wheel spacers as well) to require any trimming. You are probably aware, but if not, make sure the transfercase input gear has been updated with a crossdrilled gear, and overfill the t-case a little with oil. The early Discovery/Defenders were infamous for spline wear issues, requiring a new mainshaft in the transmission and a new input gear in the t-case at the least to repair.

[Scott Brady]

Scott,

Very nice Discovery. You are right, it looks clean and balanced. I like the 235/85 on the stock wheels too.

[Alaska Mike]

And all this time I thought I was lollygagging on my own Rover project. Now I realize that I'm taking a measured approach...

[hochung]

Ho from EE has been a huge help on this project, as those guys have a pretty solid grasp on how to build a clean, functional and balanced Discovery, though we do differ on the roof rack subject :hehe:


It's still too early.

You'll eventually come around. Not only the rack, but you'll want lights up there.

[Maine 110]

You know the rack thing is dependant on where your primary off roading/ exploring is. Back East here in New England I am not a big lover of the rack, I had it on and off my truck several times, for the most part they are a hinderance on the tightly wooded and overgrown areas we tend to explore around here. I cannot count how many times I've seen lights ripped off by overhanging limbs, or at least have it be a a constant issue on a trail ride to stop and hold branches up or fold down the lights so they dont get hit. When you are out west or in a more open area I can totaly see having the rack and lights.

The other downside I see to roof-racks is the un-bearable urge most rack owners have to load the things with 300 + pounds of fuel and gear making the truck precariously top heavy. I went through it myself and finally got to the point the rack held little more than some bulky lightweight gear and my chain-saw.

I personally like the look of the disco rackless.

Just my .02 on the matter.

Jesse Ware

[craig]

You know the rack thing is dependant on where your primary off roading/ exploring is. Back East here in New England I am not a big lover of the rack, I had it on and off my truck several times, for the most part they are a hinderance on the tightly wooded and overgrown areas we tend to explore around here. I cannot count how many times I've seen lights ripped off by overhanging limbs, or at least have it be a a constant issue on a trail ride to stop and hold branches up or fold down the lights so they dont get hit. When you are out west or in a more open area I can totaly see having the rack and lights.

The other downside I see to roof-racks is the un-bearable urge most rack owners have to load the things with 300 + pounds of fuel and gear making the truck precariously top heavy. I went through it myself and finally got to the point the rack held little more than some bulky lightweight gear and my chain-saw.

I personally like the look of the disco rackless.

Just my .02 on the matter.

Jesse Ware

I totally agree Jesse. I live in Washington and the woods and the roofrack are just a PITA. The other bad thing about a rack is the wind noise, decrease MPG, and they are annoying when you are washing the truck. I had one for two years and finally sold it. They do look cool though.

Why is "Out West" not wooded? We have incredibly dense forests in WA, OR, ID, MT, and Northern CA.

[hochung]

trees, no trees, doesn't matter. Scott needs a RACK.

besides,

tree1: "guys, I see a Disco coming..."
tree2: "yeah, and it's got a roof rack."
tree3: "that's Scott! let him thru!"

[kellymoe]

Rack? If you need it you need it, if you dont you dont. If I could take the rack off my truck I would but the awning is rack dependent.

Racks are kind of like buying a large backpack. No matter how big it is it always seems to get filled up with stuff. I see lots of truck with loaded down racks and which raises the C of G considerably. Combine that with the Rovers already loose suspension and the truck becomes pretty exciting to drive at high speeds and in off camber situations. If Scott will be using a trailer I just cant see the purpose for a rack.

[craig]

trees, no trees, doesn't matter. Scott needs a RACK.


Why?

Edit: Ok, ok... I'll leave it alone. :)

[hochung]

Craig,

because when I buy his disco, it must have a rack.

[Desertdude]

Craig,

because when I buy his disco, it must have a rack.

:Astrologist: Talk about using the "force" :ylsmoke:

[MEUSOC]

Hey, at least Disco's are not top-heavy already...

[craig]

Craig,

because when I buy his disco, it must have a rack.

LOL! :D

[revor]

Hey, at least Disco's are not top-heavy already...


???????!!!!!!! What?!?! My Disco's make my 110 feel like a soft top!

I'm not a rack fan unless I need the space. My Toy Disco will never have a Rack. My wife's (Karen) Disco XD has no Rack at the moment but she is determined to put it back on. My 110 has what equates to a Tent with a nice size "deck".

My take is only put it on if you need it or it's such a PITA to take off it's not worth it.
My Rack will come off the Defender once camping season is over.... Hmmmm is it ever over?

[kellymoe]

I had a full rack for my disco at one time. I ended up cutting it up and welding up a half rack. Then I ended up selling the half rack. Just never needed it. A basket rack that attaches to the disco roof rails is probably all you need in 99% of the cases but purists will poo poo it for the looks. Aside from my top heavy argument I just like the lines of a disco without the rack.

[Scott Brady]

I love the look of the Safety Devices, Land Rover Genuine rack, trust me.

I just do not have a need for one, and am not willing to sacrifice the economy, height and COG just for the looks.

And besides, Ho needs to have a few modifications to do to the Disco when he buys it from me in 2025 ;)

[Navman]

That's how I feel and how I'm going to approach my next build. That's the best approach, I believe.


Agreed. There is a place for big, heavy, endlessly modified rigs, but there is also a place for the simple approach.

Of course, when you are a crap mechanic like me then you can't stray too far from simple.

[pint]

Great looking rig! These white Disco's are really growing on me!..

[Maine 110]

Why is "Out West" not wooded? We have incredibly dense forests in WA, OR, ID, MT, and Northern CA.

Us sheltered easterners who only think of "out West" as Western slope of the Rocky's and SW... Wide open desert and mesa's...

[Blueboy]

Racks are kind of like buying a large backpack. No matter how big it is it always seems to get filled up with stuff.

lol!! especially on long trips.

here is our rack on a recent trip to P.E.I.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff351/thomjam/Blueboy/DSCN4105.jpg


Jaime

[Blueboy]

oops - forgot to add GREAT looking Disco.


Jaime

[Blueboy]

Hi Sinu,

Close - Actually it is a lobster trap.

They make great foot rests for use on the patio or deck.

This one is from P.E.I. and we have 2 more from Maine.

Jaime

[traveltoad]

Hi Sinu,

Close - Actually it is a lobster trap.

They make great foot rests for use on the patio or deck.

This one is from P.E.I. and we have 2 more from Maine.

Jaime

Where are the lobsters???


Yum yum.... lobster....

[Flounder]

I love the look of the Safety Devices, Land Rover Genuine rack, trust me.

I just do not have a need for one, and am not willing to sacrifice the economy, height and COG just for the looks.


You met the reason we have a small roof rack....my black lab. Nothing eats up cargo space like a slobbering, tail wagging pooch. That said, our little half rack is often empty and primarily just a depository for wet stuff.

I like the clean lines of your DI.

[Wanderlusty]

After :drool: all over the most recent pictures of your Disco, I took a peek out at E-Bay (probably not the best place, but a good idea to test the market anyway) and was very surprised to see just how affordable the D1's, and even early D2's are.

If I am ever able to get this Taco sold, I might have to take a look at these. I had thought strongly about the Trooper, but I am seeing these things going in the same, or in some cases, lower prices.

I want a vehicle I can pretty much buy outright....and to be done with a car loan.

One of these just may fit the bill.

Nice looking truck. Really nice.

Looks like you sold your Taco just in time, too. I can't get any traction on trying to sell mine....

[SeaRubi]

scott, do you have any more Disco porn for us? Any updates or has the Jeep been taking all your time?

[Scott Brady]

The Disco is currently in the throws of phase II, getting ready for SEMA.

[Antichrist]

7"

The NATO Steelies are 6.5"Just got the latest Overland Journal and saw your rig. Looks nice.
Just one comment, those don't look like NATO wheels, but rather Series/Stage1 wheels.
Unless I'm mistaken, which I very well could be, true NATO wheels are the same as Wolf wheels, as below.
http://www.simmonites.com/images/Image6.jpg

At least all my NATO's are like that.

[LC/LR4Life]

Originally Posted by hochung
Craig,

because when I buy his disco, it must have a rack.



That's what I said about my wife..... "When I get a woman, she must have a rack" haha

[kellymoe]

Just got the latest Overland Journal and saw your rig. Looks nice.
Just one comment, those don't look like NATO wheels, but rather Series/Stage1 wheels.
Unless I'm mistaken, which I very well could be, true NATO wheels are the same as Wolf wheels, as below.

At least all my NATO's are like that.

I noticed the same thing. I know BP sells NATO's maybe they are something new. Either way, looks good.

[Antichrist]

I noticed the same thing. I know BP sells NATO's maybe they are something new. Yeah, I tried to look, but googling "nato site:www.britishpacific.com" came up empty for any wheels.

[Scott Brady]

They are Defender RTW/NATO wheels, part #: ANR4636PM

I picked them up from British Pacific

[Antichrist]

They are Defender RTW/NATO wheels, part #: ANR4636PMInteresting, that PN is for 5.5" 109/110 civvy wheels.

[Scott Brady]

Yeah, that part number might be wrong in the BP catalog then, or I am misreading it. It shows them as steel wheels, defender 90. Maybe it is a AMR1534PM? I know the wheels are 16x6.5-7, as I measured them.

I will check the wheels too, to see if there is a PN on them

[Scott Brady]

A little testing with the truck in Box Canyon, AZ today. We have fit several very stout bits from RoverTracks, including all new tie-rod and drag-link with brand-new LR Genuine ends. This also moved the steering damper from low and behind the axle to in the front and up high.

I also installed a set of HD rear lower links that are clearanced (angled) to prevent impact or bending on the trail. All of this significantly tightened up the handling and steering precision.

More parts are going on this weekend, just in time for SEMA.

Here is a teaser
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2008/AZLRO/AZLRO.jpg

[revor]

Can you feel it? Relieving all that tension in the suspension just makes it feel better. Not adding loads of articulation, just a bit more relaxed.

Then again Tension+Beer=relaxed...

No it's a mechanic thing I guess... No real way to explain it..

:sombrero:

[Scott Brady]

A few more pictures of the "testing" day :)

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2008/AZLRO/AZLRO%20(1).jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2008/AZLRO/AZLRO%20(6).jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2008/AZLRO/AZLRO%20(5).jpg

Today, the mods continued, and we fitted sliders from Inland Rovers, new front control arms that adjusted the caster and a rear pinion angle adjuster, also from Inland Rovers. Next is a set of lights, nav, new tires and wheels (for SEMA only) and mounting the National Luna fridge to a new Adventure Trailers drawer system.

[Monkeyboy]

Be sure to let us know your impressions of the adjustable rear top link.

I'm still not particularly happy with my rear pinion angle, but so far so good :)

[Rexsname]

Scott,

I'm curious as to why you would need to change out the wheel/tire combination for the SEMA show? Is it just to make the Disco a bit more 'showy'? I thought the understated look was the whole point.....


REX

[Scott Brady]

Scott,

I'm curious as to why you would need to change out the wheel/tire combination for the SEMA show? Is it just to make the Disco a bit more 'showy'? I thought the understated look was the whole point.....


REX

It is just to try something different. I will likely keep the bigger tires and wheels for the more technical trails, etc.

Overall, I am very happy with the simple look of the Disco in its current state. For SEMA, it is fun to push the limits a bit and test things out.

[Scott Brady]

:wings:

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/Disco_SEMA.jpg
The new tires (there two extra are for the Chaser)

Here is a shot of Keith's stout tie-rod. I also replaced all of the ends with LR Genuine parts.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/Disco_SEMA%20(1).jpg

[Scott Brady]

This stuff should be on display in an art gallery...

Pinion Angle Adjuster: Totally eliminated all vibes.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/Disco_SEMA%20(2).jpg

All of the goodness, ready to go on: (http://www.inlandrovers.com/) All from Inland Rovers (http://www.inlandrovers.com/)
http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/Disco_SEMA%20(3).jpg

Front control arms, absolute perfection, and the welds are beautiful:
http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery_I/images/modifications/Disco_SEMA%20(4).jpg

I cannot begin to describe the transformation all of these components has done to the Disco. It rides and drives better than any vehicle I have modified. No rattles, no vibrations, perfect caster, solid, yet handles exceptional, even with no anti-swaybars attached.

I am more than impressed.

More details in the winter issue of Overland Journal :)