Warn 5687

[spencyg]

I just acquired a "new" Warn 5687 winch for the van. It is an 8000lb model which is a not-too-distant cousin of the current 8274. Supposedly these winches stopped production in '73, so its an oldie but goodie. I recently read a review on the newest M15000 winch, and the reviewers (Pedersen's 4WOR) said they actually preferred a snatch-blocked 8274 to the M15000, suggesting it was actually faster and more rugged. I took that opinion and ran with it, and I'll be snatch blocking with this winch if/when we encounter sticky situations. I'll be mounting a much lighter-duty Ramsey REP8000 in the rear bumper with the same winching philosophy.

[DaveInDenver]

Nice. I had one of those on my FJ40. IIRC, the motor is the same as the current 8274. Pretty sure. Solid design and very rebuildable. I used a choke cable I found in the Help! catalog at NAPA to operate the drum brake.

[Linus Tremaine]

Keep it oiled and clean, its really tough to spool out if it hasnt been taken care of.

I have a set of control cables for it that I got out of an international dump truck. They are available if you need them. You can of course use choke cables. I suggest that you run it on a solenoid rather than use the old cable controlled lever switch that it would have come with new. I have one of those too, but they are not what you want if you actually plan to use the winch.

Linus

[spencyg]

Linus..

PM me with details on that control panel...

Spence

[seriessearcher]

There is a common misconception that the 8274 and the 5687 motor are the same with respect to parts and swapping out. This is far from true. The drive gear required for the 5687 is different and NLA. Thus the premium placed on these motors. Best bet is to take it to a rebuild shop if you ever need to and have them replair the spline but place in an updated dual direction housing.

Rumor has it a ramesy wich motor is similar and can be swapped out. I have not done either, but I do have a 5687 on my 1960 Series II which I purchased a rebuilt motor for out of MN.

There are several threads on this on different boards which I could post up if interested.

[spencyg]

I'm not sure I truly believed that the 8274 motor would bolt right into the 5687 Chassis. Your news confirms this. Any additional information you could point me towards would be most helpful. Thanks

Spence

[seriessearcher]

How to make a 5687 more like an 8274:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?referrerid=57133&t=382401

Grainy scanned documents of the owners manual

http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/warn5687.php

One of the Rover boards discussing this now:

http://forum.roversclub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=542

I have one now so post up any questions you may have. It has not been used in anger with the truck, only pulling trees out of yards to date :)

[spencyg]

So...the stock motor doesn't reverse, but an 8274 motor can be modified to fit, and then all of the cable controls are basically unnecessary? I would assume that if the motor on my winch is in good condition I should keep the winch as-is until I start having problems? Or would it be better to just start out with an 8274 motor and have a reverse option? Modifying components to work doesn't scare me at all. I have a full CNC machine shop, so making or modifying new parts would be the least of the worries...

Spence

[seriessearcher]

How many times do you reverse out? I would say leave well enough alone until a rebuild was required. That is what I am doing with mine. Then I will take it in to a shop for them to rebuild.

I think it is personal preference.

[spencyg]

I was thinking the same thing....leave well enough alone until upgrades are mandatory. Thanks for all of the links.

Spence

[spencyg]

The ole' girl just showed up last night. What a beast!! The whole assembly is in surprisingly good shape and everything seems to work very smoothly. I'll have to replace the cable due to a serious amount of meat hooks, but other than that I'll end up mounting it and calling it good. Instead of control cables I think I'll add a pneumatic cylinder to control the brake and tie the motor solenoid and the air valve together. The clutch I'll leave manual for now...

Spence

[alaskantinbender]

I aquired 2 winches that look the same as in the pic above. It took parts from both to make one useable and only one still had the plackard on it.
Listed mod # is 8000.....??
Is this an older still example of the 5687 or 8274?
SN# is 7333370 if it helps.
I still havent used it on any of my projects as they have grown a little big for an only 8000lb winch.

Regards,

Jim

[spencyg]

The 5867 (as shown in the picture) doesn't have a case that breaks apart horizontally. The 8274 has a horizontal split in the case right below the motor. Its probably the easiest way to tell them apart. If its an older winch, you probably have a 5867.

Spence

[alaskantinbender]

Thanx spence
Yes it has the verticle split in the case so it must be the 5867.
It looks like after I have followed the links in this thread that there was lots of model number changes in the 70's.
I might mount this one in the rear bumper on one of my trucks, for that occasional retreat manuver......

Regards,

Jim

[Oilburner]

Nice find! I have the exact same winch and have beat the living snot out of it for 10 years and it's always been great. I have rebuilt the case (all the bearings are easy to get) and the motor (any good starter rebuilder can do it for you).

You can put an 8274 motor on that winch easily, the input gear needs to be changed out, the gear is available from Warn for about 35$. Upgrading the motor would give you power out. I personally like my one-way winder, and will wait until my motor dies a horrible death until I shell out a few hundred bucks for a new 8274 motor and gear.

The best upgrade for these winches is getting them some JUICE. My setup uses 4/0 cable to the motor, and from the winch case to the battery ground, made a huge difference, and I have two 1100 CCA batteries feeding it, with a 200 amp Leece Neville large frame bus alternator. I used a 200 amp continuous duty Cole Hersee 12V solenoid for winch control. Compare to my last setup (small gauge cable, through chassis ground, and a small solenoid), the winch runs much much faster, cooler, and is stronger.

Despite being an old girl, this winch will pull cable faster than any newer winch, with the exception of an 8274.

[madizell]

How many times do you reverse out?

With an 8274, every single time. While it will free-spool, in order to do so, planets have to be in line. The cable or rope has to be cleanly laid on the drum. The brake has to be clean and in good working order. The gears have to be lubed correctly with something a bit lighter than the manual calls for, or with full synthetic lube or you will find they have too much parasitic drag to spool freely. You can't pull hard on the cable or you will accelerate the brake assembly faster than the gears can keep up with and the drum will lock -- as it is supposed to do.

Simply put, the 8274 and it earlier designs will not conveniently free-spool unless the design allows for complete disengagement of the gear train. Power out is the only way to go, and is infinitely faster than farting around with the free-spool feature.

[Oilburner]

The 5687 can be a pain to freespool if the cable gets a knot in it, but it is infinitely better than an 8274 because of the band brake. They don't have the ball and pawl brake, not trying to be persnickety, but there is a difference.

It is always worse when the cable is wound in all the way. When oyu get 10 feet of it out, you can just bounce the cable up and down when it jams and it usually releases. Rope is infinitely easier to deal with on these winches, as opposed to steel cable.

This is a good link:

http://www.bc4x4.com/tech/2000/upgrade8274/upgrade8274.cfm

[highlandercj-7]

Much lighter duty lol There both 8K lb winches. You will find that at full pull power the REP 8000 pulls harder than the Warn. The Warn is incrediably fast at no-mid load but when you start to hit max pull the Warn will start to ***** and moan while the lil REP will just keep pullin. I have two 8274s and a REP 8000. I love them both, but don't dis the lil REP 8k she's slow but she's like a Diesel.