C.Shontz 2001 Jeep Cherokee (Progress) [Archive]

cshontz

02-22-2006, 03:11 PM

This is the progress thread for my 2001 Jeep Cherokee, for the purpose of sharing the gradual evolution of the vehicle with others. At this point in time (2/22/05), the plan is to outfit the Cherokee for short-duration off-pavement touring, and medium-duration cross-country trips.

The vehicle was purchased on 8/26/05 at 22,000 miles.

http://static.flickr.com/31/57563133_ce6ed63c60.jpg

All cshontz photos tagged "01xj" on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/search/tags:01xj/

My goal is to improve trail preparedness and off-road functionality, with minimal compromise to on-road driving characteristics and appearance.

I hope to update this thread as I make changes or improvements to the Cherokee, but it will probably take quite some time. Hopefully these threads don't expire anytime soon. Thanks for reading! :)

cshontz

02-22-2006, 03:11 PM

I started with swaybar quick disconnects. I consider this to be the single most important modification, as a disconnected front swaybar greatly improves off-pavement performance and comfort.

http://static.flickr.com/43/76645303_36d605e925.jpg

Unfortunately, although they're "quick" disconnects, there is still a good bit of tugging, banging, and cussing involved when operating them. :)

cshontz

02-22-2006, 03:11 PM

Next on the agenda is an Old Man Emu suspension with 930/JC1B springs. This is a performance suspension from Australia that offers a 2-3" increase in ride height. A 3/4" polyurethane coil spacer will also be added to the front to level out the vehicle.

http://static.flickr.com/14/15623780_02ea880aef.jpg

This suspension was briefly installed on my previous Cherokee (pictured), and I removed it to reinstall on my current Cherokee. I swear by Old Man Emu over any other suspension manufacturer for all-around driving.

cshontz

02-22-2006, 03:12 PM

Next to install is a fixed yoke transfer case conversion from Advance Adapters, in addition to a double-cardan rear driveshaft from Tom Wood, and degree shims to adjust the pinion angle.

http://static.flickr.com/36/76645228_d9e81eb9a4.jpg

Late 1996 Cherokees and newer are much more prone to incurring driveline vibrations than earlier models mostly due to a really long slip-yoke transfer case output. The above modifications accommodate a longer, cv-style driveshaft, which helps to minimize working angle for lifted applications, thereby reducing the likelihood of vibrations.

cshontz

02-22-2006, 03:12 PM

After the modifications I posted above, I'll be ready to install new tires. I chose to go with 245/75R16 BFGoodrich All-Terrain for their all-around good performance. Realisticly, this Cherokee will be driven on-pavement most of the time, therefore I didn't want a more aggressive off-road tire.

http://static.flickr.com/40/97920710_815df5b458.jpg

I'm just a little bit concerned about this tire size being too big. I know it will definately fit, and it will probably look great, but I want the suspension to be able to cycle and articulate with minimal interference from the tires.

UncleChris

02-22-2006, 03:47 PM

CLynn85

02-22-2006, 04:08 PM

Looks like you've got a good bit on your plate. Can't wait to see how it looks with the new lift and tires on.

sacto_patrol

02-22-2006, 04:11 PM

After owning several XJ's with any where between 30.5's to 38's. You shouldn't have any rubbing with that lift if you take out the inner fender linners and trim the front bumper. You might end up pulling off the fender flares under full stuff.

Looks like a very nice XJ your starting off with and your putting in some quality parts. I really like the decision of going with advance adapters SYE over an RE Hack n' tap.

cshontz

02-22-2006, 04:41 PM

Several years ago, I purchased an 34qt ARB Freezer/Fridge (MT35), which is the single best accessory I've ever purchased for my vehicles. It comes in handy for everything from trips to the grocery store, to weekend camping trips. It has been used and abused, and it doesn't miss a beat.

http://static.flickr.com/35/103080727_aab84fccc3.jpg

I would like to get a transit bag for much needed protection, and establish a better means of securing the unit. The bungee cords only serve to keep it upright, but it is by no means secure. I'm not quite sure how I'd bolt anything to the floor of the cargo area without dropping the gas tank.

http://static.flickr.com/32/103080609_0651cd87eb_m.jpg

The size of the MT35 is usually more than adequate for my weekend adventures, and fits well in the back of the Cherokee, however an MT45 or larger would be much better suited for longer duration outings.

cshontz

02-22-2006, 04:56 PM

I had 31s on my 1998 XJ that had the OME lift with a 1.5" spacer. I had issues with the 31s rubbing on the swaybar at lock.

Also check your bumpstops at stuff, at one point when I was running 30's with a 1.5" lift, at stuff it would pull in the fender. Make sure that you check ouor bumpstops(I used a hockey puck).

Thanks for the good info, Chris. My 245's are maginally shorter, and just a little bit narrower than 31x10.50's, which should hopefully be to my advantage.

I have a pair of OME bump stop spacers leftover from a previous Jeep that I plan to install with the suspension on the front bump stop towers. This will hopefully prevent the fenders from being eaten by the tires, although I still expect some light grazing.

http://www.ok4wd.com/write/images/product/159/images/m-omebumpstopspacers-orig.jpg

In addition, I plan to make an adjustment to the steering stops to prevent rubbing against the control arms and hopefully minimize rubbing against the swaybar assembly at full lock.

http://static.flickr.com/25/96608172_c91849cfd7.jpg

Thanks for the fantastic feedback everyone! Your comments and advice are greatly appreciated. :)

OverlandZJ

02-25-2006, 11:34 AM

Chris, consider swapping the front axle for a High Pinion Dana 30 from an earlier XJ if/when you plan to regear it.

Drop me a line if you need any assistance putting this together. We'll have to do a day trip somewhere when it's done.

cshontz

03-03-2006, 10:44 PM

Have you considered making a false floor?

That sounds like a good idea, computeruser ... if that is your real name. :p I will take that into consideration.

Welp, I have all of my ducks in a row, and I'm heading over to my friends' house tommorrow morning for some garage time. More to follow!

http://static.flickr.com/40/107375958_adb2cfe99b.jpg

I've also been strongly considering roof top tents when funds allow. First, I don't want that kind of weight on my roof. Second, if I had a tent on my roof, I'm pretty sure it would get a good amount of use. Needless to say, I'm somewhat torn on the subject. It doesn't help that I've never seen one of these tents in person.

The AutoHome Overland (http://www.autohomeus.com/products/overland.php) seems like one of the best options of the canvas fold-out style due to its supposedly good availability and presumably lighter weight.

Scott Brady

03-04-2006, 01:31 AM

Welp, I have all of my ducks in a row, and I'm heading over to my friends' house tommorrow morning for some garage time. More to follow!

Look at all that cool stuff :bowdown:

Cant wait to see the progress

OverlandZJ

03-05-2006, 01:08 PM

Alright Chris! :jump:

Lets see those completed shots.

cshontz

03-05-2006, 01:29 PM

Alright Chris! Lets see those completed shots.

You betcha, John. I haven't seen the new setup in daylight yet, but I'll go snap some pics as soon as I'm finished with my Eggos. :)

I'm very pleased with the new setup. The ride quality wasn't compromised except by the new tires which are noticably harder at load range E, but I could probably improve this by dropping the psi a little. I'm thrilled that the Cherokee is still very pleasant to drive, and the fixed yoke conversion really went a long way in making this possible. There wasn't a vibe, a shudder, or a rumble at any speed. :D

cshontz

03-05-2006, 06:58 PM

http://static.flickr.com/40/108264761_79cbb51983.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/54/108264259_570bd9fe55.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/38/108264029_3619b0746b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/46/107883251_74b0709a83.jpg

This should be considered Phase 1, and all that remains is to get an alignment and tweak for rubbing. As I mentioned in the previous post, I'm very pleased with how this turned out - minimal compromise for everyday use.

Once the smoke clears a bit from my recent expenditures, I'll be moving on to Phase 2, which consists of armor and a winch bumper. Rocker armor gets priority, then crossmember (transfer case), then oil pan and gas tank. I'll post here as I progress. :coffee:

xjclassic

03-06-2006, 12:32 PM

Very nice....as I have said a few times already!! Have to say it on this site too! Might have to have another "lift party" for mine!

cshontz

03-06-2006, 12:43 PM

Very nice....as I have said a few times already!! Have to say it on this site too! Might have to have another "lift party" for mine!

Thanks again! I'd be happy to lend a hand when you plan to do so. Please keep me informed. Oh, and welcome to Expedition Portal. :D

CLynn85

03-06-2006, 01:34 PM

Lookin nice Chris, very well done. That'll definately be a bit more enjoyable for you. How's the ride compare with the OME?

Scott Brady

03-06-2006, 01:40 PM

Your Jeep looks great. Very clean and well proportioned. Can't wait to see your first trail report.

articulate

03-06-2006, 09:28 PM

YES! Nice looking....and it's hard to complain about an Emu suspension. Good choice.
http://static.flickr.com/40/108264761_79cbb51983.jpg

datrupr

03-07-2006, 02:17 PM

Looking very nice Chris. Can't wait to hear a review of how it performs off road.

BajaTaco

03-07-2006, 05:16 PM

Nice job Chris!

I love this pic... so beautiful :victory:

http://static.flickr.com/54/108264259_570bd9fe55.jpg

cshontz

03-10-2006, 03:59 AM

After driving it almost 400 miles with the new suspension and tires, I'm still pretty happy with how it all turned out. However, even after setting the tire pressure to 30 psi, the BFGoodrich All-Terrains feel hard-as-rock compared to the soft little Goodyear passenger tires that came on the vehicle. My cushy Cherokee Limited is still comfortable, but ride quality is definately a little bit rougher around the edges. This was expected, and there is still tweaking to be done - but I secretly hoped for better results.

The tire size increase seemed to hinder acceleration more than I anticipated. The decrease in performance is tolerable, but it is enough that I will probably switch from 3.55 gears to 4.10:1 gears when I eventually have lockers installed. In the meantime, I'm sure I'll get used to it.

To my surprise, there is very little tire rubbing when I turn the wheel left and right to full lock. It only occurred once when I was turning around in my parents' driveway this evening. The shoulder lugs on the ATs lightly grazed my suspension control arms. I could still benefit by adjusting the steering stops, but it won't take much.

I know I wanted to hold off on a winch bumper until our checking account healed, but there was an ARB Bull Bar for 97+ Cherokees (3450080) in stock so I grabbed it. I didn't want to miss the opportunity and end up having to wait a long time for a stocking order, or pay an exhorbitant shipping fee. The winch bumper will be sent to the body shop to be painted Silverstone Metallic, the same color as my Cherokee. The only problem is, absolutely no cash left for a winch, so my nice bumper is going to do some garage time before I install it. :(

xjclassic

03-10-2006, 01:57 PM

i'm getting more jealous by the day... :D

BajaTaco

03-10-2006, 02:55 PM

Good idea on the paint, that will look really sharp. If it were me, I couldn't wait on the winch... hehehe. The ARB bumpers are pretty easy to install and remove - I'd go for it :D

Scenic WonderRunner

03-10-2006, 05:54 PM

Nice Looking Chris!!

The Cherokee would be a nice replacement for the "WonderRunner"....!

I like the size and versatility! .....wheelbase!

Except then I would have to change my screen name:eek:...... :elkgrin:

articulate

03-10-2006, 06:21 PM

datrupr

03-10-2006, 07:28 PM

Just take up wilderness marathon running...........

:sunflower

:xxrotflma :jump:

Scenic WonderRunner

03-10-2006, 08:42 PM

...............:p
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OverlandZJ

03-12-2006, 02:38 PM

Looking awesome Chris! :clapsmile

We should do a weekender out to Pa's Grand Canyon area this fall spotting for Elk.

:camping:

cshontz

03-13-2006, 03:57 PM

For my listening pleasure, I chose to install a wired FM modulator behind my factory head unit that would provide an auxillary input for my iPod. I went this route because I prefer the ergonomics of the stock radio, and an FM modulator provides adequate sound quality.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/sets/1784678/

http://static.flickr.com/42/83548120_265babce62.jpg

The iPod is currently installed over the center console using RAM mounting hardware. A switch was included to enable and disable the FM modulator, which was mounted inside the center console's storage compartment.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/sets/1784679/

http://static.flickr.com/41/111027486_f55ac470f9.jpg

The finished installation also includes a Belkin Auto Kit (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=149006), which is essentially a wiring harness that provides power and audio to the iPod through its docking port. I'm pretty happy with this setup, but it may change as better iPod integration solutions become available.

http://static.flickr.com/46/111028088_4768038499.jpg

Scott Brady

03-13-2006, 06:58 PM

What is the name of the FM Modulator? Part Number? The nice thing is that you can use other audio devices with the modulator too.

cshontz

03-13-2006, 07:21 PM

What is the name of the FM Modulator? Part Number? The nice thing is that you can use other audio devices with the modulator too.

NOTE: Retail links in this post may expire over time.

Scott,
The FM modulator that I used was from Quadratec (company that sells Jeep accessories), and it wasn't really branded. It was an exclusive package that they put together for Jeep Wranglers that functions just as well for my Cherokee, and presumably most other vehicles.

Audio Input Adapter for 97-06 Wrangler (http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=96080+94&UREQA=1&UREQB=2&UREQC=3&UREQD=4&FNM=00&UID=2006031315014006)

However, after my purchase, I stumbled upon this wired RF modulator by Harmon Kardon at my local Circuit City which was considerably smaller, less expensive, and by a manufacturer that I recognize. Assuming it offers the same functionality, I wonder if this would have been a better purchase.

Harmon Kardon Drive + Play Wired FM Adapter (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Harman-Kardon-Drive-Play-Wired-FM-Adapter-DPFMT1US-/sem/rpsm/context/99001077/oid/140831/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)

You are correct in that I could feasibly connect almost any device to the modulator, from my CB radio to my laptop computer. Very handy. :)

cshontz

03-20-2006, 02:59 PM

This past weekend, I disconnected the front swaybar on the Cherokee, and drove to a spot near my house where I could test the tire fitment in off-road conditions. The location is unremarkable - it is only a dirt parking area for river access. However, there is a short and uneven climb that works the suspension fairly well.

http://static.flickr.com/47/115093602_116f175731.jpg

Short Video Clip of Jeep Cherokee Test (.wmv, 3.3mb) (http://www.ok4wd.com/movies/01xj_test.wmv)

NOTE: If the above link should ever expire, please let me know and I will attempt to restore it.

As you can see and hear, upon compression, the tire rubs on the ends of the front bumper which extend to the front of the fender well. There is ample clearance at the top and rear of the fender well - the tire only makes contact in the front portion of the well.

http://static.flickr.com/41/115093371_1e50cf7fe7.jpg

Fortunately, modification of the bumper ends should alleviate the rubbing altogether. My only minor concern is that I wouldn't want this modification to diminish from the appearance of the vehicle. The front bumper is being replaced by an ARB unit which replaces the stock plastic bumper ends with metal - but I expect the problem to persist, so the ARB bumper ends may need to be trimmed slightly.

Coil spacers will be added to compensate for the weight of the winch bumper. The coil spacers should decrease the amount my front suspension can compress by roughly 1" ... I'm just speculating, but this might make the rubbing problem less severe.

rbraddock

03-24-2006, 10:59 PM

Chris,
Your rig looks great! I've been lurking for awhile getting ideas for my own 99 Cherokee Limited. This forum is the best and right in line with my plans, long distance self-supported exploration, thank you all.

Quick question for you: under the driver's seat I have what appears to be a mounting plate with three long studs coming off it...any ideas what this is for? I've checked the factory parts manual with no luck. The only reason I noticed it, I was scouting out potential storage space for an onboard computer, other electronics.

Thanks again, hopefully my own build will begin to progress out of the PAD stage.

xjclassic

03-25-2006, 07:08 PM

not sure what those posts are for, but I mounted my CB there...mounted an external speaker under the dash on the drivers side.

Scott Brady

03-28-2006, 01:43 PM

Randy! Welcome to the forum :) Tell us more about your Jeeps and website.

Chris,

Your Jeep is looking awesome. With the ARB bumper it is going to be perfect and adventure ready. It would be great to have you out west for some exploration. :camping:

cshontz

03-28-2006, 03:15 PM

Quick question for you: under the driver's seat I have what appears to be a mounting plate with three long studs coming off it...any ideas what this is for? I've checked the factory parts manual with no luck. The only reason I noticed it, I was scouting out potential storage space for an onboard computer, other electronics.

Randy,
Thanks for the compliment, and welcome to the forum! :)

I can't say with absolute certainty what that mounting plate is under your driver's seat. I just took a look under mine, and there really isn't anything under there.

Looking under from front:
http://static.flickr.com/40/119347404_a928ba2289.jpg

However, for 1997 through 1999 Jeep Cherokees, there was a recall to relocate the airbag control module from under the driver seat to under the center console. Apparently, they had to move it because a wet interior would cause problems with the airbag system - including premature deployment. I would speculate that the bracket you see is the former location of your airbag module.

Your Jeep is looking awesome. With the ARB bumper it is going to be perfect and adventure ready. It would be great to have you out west for some exploration.

Scott,
Thank you for the compliment as well. I'm a little frustrated, because I really want to purchase a winch before I install it - but my modification debt closely resembles your post count, so I'd really like to alleviate that first. I'm not sure if I'll have enough restraint to put off installing the bumper. Rest assured, whatever choice I make will be accompanied by pictures.

I actually suggested to my wife that we move out west for the sole purpose of being closer to you guys. She just laughed at me. :smilies27

cshontz

03-31-2006, 04:16 AM

I brought home the ARB bumper tonight. It really looks great painted to match the body color of my Cherokee. I must've been absolutely mad to think I'd actually wait to install it until I have a winch! I'll probably install it this weekend (4/1/06) - but I'm also going to add some polyurethane coil spring spacers to compensate for the weight, so it'll be somewhat involved.

http://static.flickr.com/19/120572768_83fdaf69a1.jpg

CLynn85

03-31-2006, 01:16 PM

Wow, that's going to look great! Can't wait to see it bolted up. :bowdown:

rbraddock

03-31-2006, 10:33 PM

WOW!!!! Looks real nice. Thanks for settling another decision in my own build. I was teatering between the ARB or a Warn, not any more. Can't wait to see it installed.:jumping:

cshontz

04-02-2006, 01:48 AM

I'm not done. I probably started my driveway time around 9:00 AM, and wrapped things up around 5:00 PM. It was a very leisurely pace, and I just enjoyed the fair weather and being outside more than anything.

During that time, I installed coil spring spacers to compensate for the weight of the bumper assembly, and then partially installed the bumper itself. My coil springs were fighting me - I really have to invest in a compressor, because my technique for installation and removal is questionable at best.

http://static.flickr.com/54/121560093_3a076f77a0.jpg

Tommorrow, I'm going to finalize positioning - there's a bit of a gap between the bumper and the body, particularly on one side, that I need to remedy. I also need to install and wire the marker lights. I might also install a roller fairlead to conceal the void.

I'm thrilled with the appearance. I am so happy - it was worth every bit of debt. :)

EDIT: I spent several hours on Sunday finalizing the bumper's position, bolting and unbolting, sliding, shoving, adding packers, hammering the uniframe, drilling, replacing broken drill bits, and so on. It wasn't as bad as I just made it sound, but it did take me alot of time to do very little. By the end of the afternoon, the bumper was firmly attached, and I decided to wrap things up because I was neglecting my family. I will complete the installation of the marker lights soon.

http://static.flickr.com/40/122153738_cf214e497f.jpg

blaze one

04-02-2006, 06:38 AM

That looks great !! , especially with the color match paint job .
Only thing is ..... it just reminds me even more why I hate having a Chevy , no freakin' ARB products !!!

CLynn85

04-02-2006, 02:30 PM

WOW, that looks killer. Really glad to see you decided to go body-color with it. Keep up the good work!

datrupr

04-02-2006, 02:42 PM

Chris, looks AWESOME!!! Keep us posted, this has been a fun build for me to follow, even though I do not own a Jeep. It has still been fun.

ShottsCruisers

04-06-2006, 11:46 PM

That's great you have a later model XJ!! Those classics won't be topped ever by Jeep (well....we can hope!). :victory:

upcruiser

04-07-2006, 10:14 PM

Looking great! Does the ARB rub like the original bumper at full stuff?

cshontz

04-07-2006, 10:19 PM

Looking great! Does the ARB rub like the original bumper at full stuff?

Thanks! I haven't tried flexing the suspension yet. I am expecting it to rub, but I'm not sure how much. The ends of the ARB do seem to slope away from the tires more than the stock end caps did, so hopefully I won't have to modify the bumper. :)

cshontz

04-16-2006, 05:33 AM

Scott Brady

04-16-2006, 01:55 PM

Chris,

The bumper looks great. I particularly appreciate the time you take to research each modification and ensure it is done properly.

I am going to a roller fairlead on my truck as well, and decided on this unit, which is just over 5lbs. It must be used with synthetic line

http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/general_equipment/viking_offroad/DSCF1543.JPG

It is from Viking Off-Road, and not even on their site yet, but it is in production. The unit is quite impressive:

email: sales@vikingoffroad.com
tel: 800.275.3809

flyingwil

04-17-2006, 01:04 AM

Nice install work on your ARB! Looks great...

What is next?

cshontz

04-17-2006, 01:31 AM

The bumper looks great. I particularly appreciate the time you take to research each modification and ensure it is done properly.

Thanks, Scott. That is a really nice looking roller. I will certainly keep it in mind should I choose to run synthetic.

Nice install work on your ARB! Looks great...

What is next?

Thanks, Wil. The void in the bumper will be filled with a Warn M8000, which is the highest priority at this time. Shortly thereafter, I plan to add IPF 800XS lights to the bumper assembly.

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/images/lights/ipf_800xs.jpg

Armor is next on the agenda, starting with sliders and gas tank, and followed by a reinforced crossmember, oil pan, and reinforced control arm mounts.

cshontz

04-17-2006, 10:21 PM

Not necessarily the best photograph angle for the purpose of comparison, but despite the large overall size of the ARB Bull Bar, you can see the substantial amount of clearance gained below the bumper ends.

http://static.flickr.com/46/130234647_e7abf2b456.jpg

cshontz

04-23-2006, 05:11 AM

I took the Cherokee out for the second time to do some recon (http://venture4wd.com/map.php?f=rc_south-property_gpx.xml) for the local off-road park. This is the most technical terrain this vehicle has ever seen, and it performed very well.

http://static.flickr.com/47/132666382_5bed0d63e0.jpg

I was initially concerned about my front tires rubbing the ARB bull bar while the suspension was compressed - and while I still think I could probably induce rubbing by really flexing out on something, it did not occur during normal off-pavement operation. I'm just pleased that my new bumper won't need to be hacked. :)

cshontz

05-03-2006, 05:32 PM

I took the Cherokee out on a weekend-long trail ride event at the local off-road park. This was the Jeep's most technical outing so far and it's first organized outing. It was the ultimate test, and by the time the weekend was over, I knew exactly what adjustments needed to be made.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/sets/72057594123101599/

http://www.lieblweb.com/Events/OK4WDTour2006/images/IMG_6696.jpg

Fortunately, the Cherokee performed very well. One of the rear shackles needed to be tightened up very slightly. A front bumpstop extension is required to eliminate rubbing during extreme compression. Steering stops need to be adjusted. That is pretty much all.

At roughly 15psi and sway bar disconnected, the Cherokee rode as though it was on a cloud - and clawed and flexed over pretty much every obstacle it encountered. It felt very comfortable and sure-footed. The biggest hindrance was the bottom lip of the rear Chrysler 8.25 axle housing, which managed to get caught on the terrain from time to time - dragging like a boat anchor.

How embarrassing! :o

http://www.lieblweb.com/Events/OK4WDTour2006/images/IMG_6661.jpg

The bottom corner of my new bumper also gently bumped a rock (as a bumper would) when my front end dropped down into a water-filled rut. Not a big deal, but my only remarkable damage. I plan to touch up the abrasion.

articulate

05-05-2006, 06:36 AM

Man, you're coming along fantastically. I really dig your Jeep.

I was initially concerned about my front tires rubbing the ARB bull bar while the suspension was compressed - and while I still think I could probably induce rubbing by really flexing out on something, it did not occur during normal off-pavement operation. I'm just pleased that my new bumper won't need to be hacked. :)
:) Even then, a little rubbing in the most extreme compression scenario hardly justifies hackage. that's an opinion, though.

Again, superb Jeep; thanks for posting all of your research.

kcowyo

05-05-2006, 02:44 PM

Looks like there was a big turnout for that event. Lots of nice rigs, especially that white ZJ. That poor Ranger maybe should trade his smokestack for a snorkel! You got some great shots.

So how has the 2' antennae worked out so far? BTW, I didn't chime in earlier on the color matched ARB, but I do think that looks really, really good. Personal touches like that really set a vehicle apart from the rest.

Nice work! :beer:

cshontz

06-03-2006, 02:20 PM

I'm not a windshield wiper blade connoisseur. My wiper blade preference is not based on a scientific process of elimination - it is largely based on what I read on the packaging, like many consumers. In this regard, Silblades (http://www.silblade.com/) stood out among the lower cost alternatives enough to justify purchasing them.

http://static.flickr.com/46/158889608_b6a5217362.jpg

I've been running these blades for several years on multiple vehicles, and I just recently purchased them for my current Cherokee.

Pros

5 year unconditional guarantee;
Resistant to stuff that causes wiper blade degradation;
Seem to "treat" windshield, water beads;
And of course they wipe effectively;

Cons

Poor quality plastic mounting clips, broke once;
Paint might be prone to deterioration;
Streaks very briefly visible in oncoming headlights;

91xlt

06-03-2006, 03:52 PM

:beer: i have got to say...LOOKIN' GOOD!!!...i like the route you are heading with your project, have to say it is a good lookin rig!

LUISJG

08-15-2006, 05:44 AM

great looks beatiful !!! were in the world you find it with 22 k miles :yikes:

one question...why did you use an SYE?

cshontz

08-15-2006, 12:16 PM

great looks beatiful !!! were in the world you find it with 22 k miles :yikes:

I lucked out, but I definately paid for the low miles! :(

one question...why did you use an SYE?

A SYE with CV shaft is beneficial to help minimize the working angle of the driveline for any lifted application. Due to a change in the transfer case output, the driveline is highly prone to vibration on 96-01 model years, even with a minimal increase in ride height. Sure enough, the 96 Cherokee I had previous to this 01 suffered from vibrations with the exact same suspension. Now with the SYE, my XJ runs smooth as silk. :)

Grim Reaper

08-15-2006, 01:30 PM

I lucked out, but I definately paid for the low miles! :(

A SYE with CV shaft is beneficial to help minimize the working angle of the driveline for any lifted application. Due to a change in the transfer case output, the driveline is highly prone to vibration on 96-01 model years, even with a minimal increase in ride height. Sure enough, the 96 Cherokee I had previous to this 01 suffered from vibrations with the exact same suspension. Now with the SYE, my XJ runs smooth as silk. :)

You talk like you sell this stuff or something. :xxrotflma

Truck is looking good. I really like the paint matched bumper.

PM what kind of deal you can get me on a ARB for a 86 4Runner. If you are going to make the east coast run Might come up to that and pick it up if its in my price range. What will I have to do to get my HS9500i into it?

cshontz

08-15-2006, 02:16 PM

Truck is looking good. I really like the paint matched bumper.

Thanks, Grimmy. I'm looking into your stuff. :ylsmoke:

http://static.flickr.com/67/209325524_59e25ad8e4.jpg

LUISJG

08-15-2006, 02:41 PM

im installing a 1 inch transfer drop with rustys 3 inck lift, hoping i dont get vibes, as sye is $$

cshontz

08-29-2006, 01:32 PM

During my most recent outings I would do some recreational mapping with my GPS, depending heavily on the accuracy of my tracklog. Since I didn't have a legitimate mounting point for my Garmin GPSIII, it would flop around in my cup holder and often lose signal. Then I relocated it to under my windshield wiper arm, which greatly improved signal but introduced other disadvantages.

http://static.flickr.com/50/132649345_35e2d1dde9.jpg

Enough is enough! I eventually found myself on Ebay perusing GPS accessories, and I was impressed by the low cost of external GPS antennas. Garmin antennas are much more expensive, and I hadn't even considered aftermarket until now.

I purchased a Gilsson amplified GPS antenna featuring 32~55dB gain, 16' cable, 90-degree BNC connector, less than 2" square footprint, and a waterproof construction for $30 shipped from the vendor GPSGeek on Ebay.

http://www.gpsgeek.com/products/high-performance-amplified-55db-external-gps-antenna-for-garmin-and-icom-receivers
Retail link may expire over time.

Its difficult to ascertain product quality when you purchase unfamiliar items online, but upon receiving the antenna, I was immediately impressed by the build quality and performance. It seems to have been money well spent, and I can't wait to put it to the test.

http://static.flickr.com/68/227278217_343681271b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/65/227278387_9f7ce8799f.jpg

A GPS mounting solution is in the works using RAM hardware. I'm currently using the dated GPSIII, but I have plans to upgrade to a 276C for which I already have bracketry.

LUISJG

08-29-2006, 03:57 PM

I saw that antenna on ebay but wasnt sure to order it...now i am.

OverlandZJ

08-29-2006, 05:28 PM

I wanna order one too....but i dont have GPS yet. ;)

I'm losing serious ground in the Expedition Cherokee parts race with you two guys! I gotta buy some parts! :D

Seriously tho...Chris your rig is looking killer bro. Cant wait till i see it in person, and sorry i couldnt get out recently.

cshontz

08-29-2006, 05:31 PM

I'm losing serious ground in the Expedition Cherokee parts race with you two guys! I gotta buy some parts! :D

Ugh. Trust me, all I can do is throw nickel-and-dime stuff at mine right now. I am still seriously tapped out from the tires-suspension-bumper-paint splurge. I am just hoping jolly ol' St. Nick hears my plea. :)

but i dont have GPS yet

If you're interested, I'd be willing to sell you my 12 year old, well-used GPSIII for... (runs to look up price of new 276c) ...$600. :p

OverlandZJ

08-29-2006, 06:01 PM

If you're interested, I'd be willing to sell you my 12 year old, well-used GPSIII for... (runs to look up price of new 276c) ...$600. :p

Be right back....lemme go check the couch cushions....in my entire neighborhood. :xxrotflma

LUISJG

09-01-2006, 05:07 AM

i bought my gps at ebay for 100 bucks, 176 gps map, im sure you can find a great deal on monochrome right now

cshontz

09-04-2006, 12:13 PM

I finally established a mounting location for my GPS using RAM mounting hardware. I wanted it to be in my line-of-sight, in a versatile, and reversible position that would leave little trace if I one day chose to uninstall the hardware.

http://static.flickr.com/84/231512021_ba68b0c7d2.jpg

I ended up sacrificing a vent in favor of using the real estate as a prime mounting surface. The ventilation duct still functions, and I decided that I can block it off if the temperature variations adversely affect the GPS and/or mount.

http://static.flickr.com/80/231511235_d5bcea2140.jpg

In order to recess the 2.5" mounting plate in the bezel, I trimmed it to roughly 2/3 its normal length, and reinforced the flimsy plastic with an aluminum plate resulting in a fairly sturdy mounting surface.

More pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/tags/gpsmount/

The below images and links refer to retail site GPSCity.com, and may expire over time.

http://www.gpscity.com/g/0/s/rapb202.jpg

2.5" Mounting Plate w/ 1" Ball (http://www.gpscity.com/item-ram-mount-plastic-round-base-with-1''-dia-ball/rapb202.htm)

http://www.gpscity.com/g/0/s/rapb201.jpg

3" Arm w/ Double 1" Sockets (http://www.gpscity.com/item-ram-mount-plastic-3.0''-long-arm-with-double-1''-sockets/rapb201.htm)

http://www.gpscity.com/g/3/s/ramb238.jpg

Aluminum Diamond Plate w/ 1" Ball (http://www.gpscity.com/item-ram-mount-diamond-plate-with-1''-ball/ramb238.htm)

Boston Mangler

09-04-2006, 01:48 PM

Genius RAM mount install! I like it! :clapsmile

cshontz

01-02-2007, 02:56 PM

Hereafter, I'm probably going to rely on my blog for updates to my Cherokee, although this thread still offers more infomation for the time being.

Anyway ...

WOOT!!! Warn M8000 is a done deal! The gaping hole in my bull bar will soon be filled! Probably this weekend. :)

Also looks like I'll have some left over for lights (http://ixplor.us/index.php?/ipf_800xs_driving_lights/), which will complete my front bumper suite. It'll be nice too, because nighttime visibility is currently pitiful. I can't wait!

cshontz

02-20-2007, 01:22 PM

xr8dxj

02-21-2007, 07:00 AM

Hmmm... ever considered 37's and 4.56's? :victory:

kodiak1232003

04-08-2007, 11:43 AM

I think I'm going to start wrapping things up - you know ... relatively speaking. I want to prioritize a gear swap (3.55 --> 4.10), and some light rocker armor, and then call it done. The gear swap used to include plans for lockers, but they're hard to justify, and I think it'd be wise to keep it real. It is already clear that rocker armor is a necessity.

Otherwise, we'll start saving money for outings, home improvements, and quality-of-living type of stuff instead of spending every last dime on the Cherokee. We want to start looking for a bigger house soon, and I want a sailboat sometime down the road ... man, that would be great. That is distant unless we come into buckets of cash.

I was discussing with Jen, my vehicle feels more like home than home. You know, not saying I'd eat, sleep, or even bathe in a vehicle, but behind the wheel is usually where I feel most relaxed - providing I'm not so relaxed that I'm t-boning Ford Explorers. I just think my priorities may be askew, and its time for home to be home.

wise man, chris.

i read your thread just now and am impressed with the build. :clapsmile

i think you're right to take other priorities into consideration. the point is to spend time on the trail and not in the garage modifiying to no end and repairing the broken parts of a overly-modified rig. i'd say yours is about perfect: much more capable than stock and still very reliable and comfortable.

i don't understand some that spend 10's of thousands of dollars on these rigs, when they do JUST fine with the mods that you've done. (winch, arb, 31's, small lift and eventually lockers)

whenever i get the itch to do more than that on my rigs, all i have to do is watch the old camel trophy vids and watch what they did with 31's, OPEN diffs, bridging ladders, a bit of momentum, and some elbow grease.

regards and good luck with your other pursuits!!:26_7_2:

brian

Dave Bandel

04-15-2007, 03:23 PM

Chris,

Nice build. About your ARB fridge/freezer, you can mount some tie-down locations in the "bed" area using rivnuts (blind fasteners) which will allow you to not need to drop the fuel tank. Just google "rivnut" if you aren't familiar with them.

You may not remember me but I drive a '97 green TJ with the 5.2L and used to wheel with the B4W and now mainly hang out with some of the old timers from OCC. I remember you from several trips to Paragon and Rausch years ago.

-David

TJVach

04-16-2007, 01:12 AM

I'm trying to decide between a 2' CB antenna, and a 3' antenna. I like the low profile of my 2' for trees and my garage, but what if I find a need for that extra foot one day?

2' Pictured
http://static.flickr.com/51/129206124_1ec311d89a.jpg

I've seldom used a CB radio for anything other than communicating between vehicles that are usually in close proximity.

Hey I just wanted answer this question for you. I didn't see a reply, so I figured I would chime in. If you want what you can do is basically get two quick disconnects and a 3' antenna. Attach both the 2' and 3' antennae to a quick disco, and one of the other sides of the disco to the bumper. That way when you want to switch just disconnect one and put the other one on. Just make sure that you tune your antennae to your radio. Hope this helps.

cshontz

07-13-2007, 03:53 PM

I plan to install a RTT soon. I'm not quite there yet, so I'm not going to talk about that. However, it is time to consider the effect of having 120lbs on the roof of my Jeep, and make the necessary preparations.

I expect a RTT to be a bit of a burden for my OME JC1B leaf springs, so I've decided to get a set of OME D22XL add-a-leafs which were designed to compliment their host spring packs. The JC1B/D22XL setup should allow me to keep my ground clearance when I'm loaded up with gear, and improve lateral stability when the tent is deployed.

For the front, I'll just throw in front coil spring spacers as needed to make sure the vehicle is level-ish. My intent isn't to increase ride height, only to slightly increase maximum payload.

Here is a recent picture of the Cherokee thrown in for good measure. This is still with the OME JC1B rear springs, 930 coils, and two .75" coil spring spacers on each side to support the heavy front.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/737239545_2106a47195.jpg

I still need to acquire load bars for the roof. I like the Yakima Q Towers, but I'm still checking on pricing and availability. The Thule 300 Gutter Towers are also an option, but I don't like how tall they are over the roof line. Seriously ... like I want a 120lb tent, that is already 12" tall mind you, to be mounted 5" over the roof line. Yeah, there goes my cog. :(

If anyone can think of a clever solution to the load bar issue, I'm all ears.

I'd still much rather do an RTT on an Adventure Trailer and keep the roof of the Cherokee empty, but thats not in the cards this year.

Grim Reaper

07-14-2007, 02:21 AM

Make your own bars snd Pedestals. I made pedestals for my Sub for my KargoMaster rack. My sub runs a roof rack I actually salvaged off a XJ.
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7576&d=1178463284
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7577&d=1178463294
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7578&d=1178463336

cshontz

08-01-2007, 07:36 PM

I've decided to hold off on the add-a-leafs and coil spacers. I may still choose to get them, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Indecision may or may not be my problem.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1141/977455528_b6661de66a.jpg

Before dropping the Cherokee off for PA state inspection, I removed my CB antenna from the front bumper. It is considered a visual obstruction. Anyway, I tend to run into problems when I touch stuff. I was putting it back on and I over-tightened it causing the threads inside the ... dealie to strip out. Its on there, but not as tight as I'd like. I need to replace it. Gah! :mad:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1351/976598627_5ddb8aa112.jpg

I did in fact purchase a Thule gutter mount kit and 50" load bars for an eventual RTT. Cherokee XJ owners take note - the Thule application guide recommends 58" load bars, but the 50" load bars work just as well if if you don't want the excess length! These 50" bars will be less prone to getting snagged on the trail.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1036/921848969_04271adfca.jpg

I also recently adjusted my steering stops. Two washers on each side was enough to keep my shoulder lugs from tagging my LCA's at full stop. This was long overdue, but I put it off because it wasn't that bad.

I also pulled my coil spring retaining clips. They had both become unseated, and I got tired of listening to them flap around. I'll try to reseat them next time I do suspension surgery, but those coil springs aren't going anywhere. That's not very exciting, is it? ... but that's all I have.

jim65wagon

08-01-2007, 08:29 PM

You gonna get the RTT before the WVa trip happens?

cshontz

08-01-2007, 08:45 PM

You gonna get the RTT before the WVa trip happens?

http://www.whoknew.us/8_ball/20.gif

John90XJ

08-02-2007, 05:23 AM

I also recently adjusted my steering stops. Two washers on each side was enough to keep my shoulder lugs from tagging my LCA's at full stop. This was long overdue, but I put it off because it wasn't that bad.

I haven't read the whole thread so not sure if this was mentioned....you can run the WJ Grand Cherokee LCA with a minor bit of grinding to fit it into the LCA pocket. This particular LCA has a bend in it so you don't have the tire rub at full steering lock. It's great up to about a 31/10.50 tire and is a pretty cheap junkyard modification.

Here's a photo comparing XJ to WJ stock arms and a link to a writeup.

http://www.madxj.com/MADXJ/technical/technicalfiles/BSlowerWJctrlArms/WJ_LCA.htm

http://www.madxj.com/MADXJ/technical/technicalfiles/BSlowerWJctrlArms/images/ARWJlca01_sm.jpg

cshontz

08-05-2007, 03:03 AM

Pulled the front swaybar this morning to service it. It needs grease on the frame bushings - stupid poly is squeaking like crazy, and I have to see what I can do about tightening up one of the disco links. Didn't do it yet.

In the meantime, I need to extend my front bumpstops. Since the swaybar was off, I drove to a nearby spot where I can flex it out and figure out what it needs. Looks like it needs about 1.5 to 2 inches of bumpstop extension. JKS has a nice kit for this.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1384/1007784779_b1ad205e8a.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1357/1008657852_1a3923d71e.jpg

John90XJ

08-05-2007, 07:37 AM

Have you considered using hockey pucks?

Glue them onto the coil bucket and you're good to go. Some have also drilled through them and run a bolt through the middle once they were in place. Cheap and easy that works very well.

cshontz

08-06-2007, 01:18 PM

dieck

08-06-2007, 01:31 PM

Sanded and painted my dent this past weekend. Noticed it was getting a little brown where the paint was cracked. Wanted to nip that in the bud.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1364/1028763978_81931f16e6.jpg

This is where it happened back on 9/23/06. Geez, time flies.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/112/250986129_f5be77b979.jpg
What did you use to touch up the paint? I've got a few blems on mine too and we are the same color. Hard to see how that damage happend at that location. What happened?

cshontz

08-06-2007, 01:39 PM

What did you use to touch up the paint? I've got a few blems on mine too and we are the same color. Hard to see how that damage happend at that location. What happened?

A rock flipped up. It was so incredibly lame, I couldn't believe it. You can see the rock, and where it used to be in the ground. It was little more than a dirt road. :(

I use a rattlecan of Silverstone Metallic touch-up paint from Mopar. Should be available from your local dealer for an exorbitant price.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/148177304_761e8a552e.jpg

dieck

08-06-2007, 02:40 PM

A rock flipped up. It was so incredibly lame, I couldn't believe it. You can see the rock, and where it used to be in the ground. It was little more than a dirt road. :(

I use a rattlecan of Silverstone Metallic touch-up paint from Mopar. Should be available from your local dealer for an exorbitant price.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/148177304_761e8a552e.jpg

Do you have an after shot? Does it blend with the stock paint well? I'd be a bit leary of spraying my truck with a rattlecan but you may convince me...

cshontz

08-06-2007, 02:48 PM

Don't really have a picture better than anything you've already seen. The color blends well, but the paint runs very easily. You definitely want to keep your distance and go back and forth very quickly. I'd be very hesitant to use the rattlecan to touch up something that doesn't already look like hell.

Before

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/252467424_0c0a144faa.jpg

After

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1364/1028763978_81931f16e6.jpg

LUISJG

08-07-2007, 03:25 AM

looking good Chris...

what else is on the list for your XJ?

cshontz

08-07-2007, 03:47 AM

looking good Chris...

what else is on the list for your XJ?

Thanks, Luis. Ugh ... the dreaded list.

gear swap 3.55 to 4.11 <-- most important
root top tent
probably aal and spacers
rocker repair and armor
engel slidelock install
marine deep cycle battery (when needed)
considering swing-out tire carrier
thinking about limb risers
safari snorkel possibly
headlight upgrade (when needed)
portable or on-board air
front and rear air lockers <-- low priority

Grim Reaper

08-07-2007, 11:12 AM

Thanks, Luis. Ugh ... the dreaded list.

gear swap 3.55 to 4.11 <-- most important
root top tent
probably aal and spacers
rocker repair and armor
engel slidelock install
marine deep cycle battery (when needed)
considering swing-out tire carrier
thinking about limb risers
safari snorkel possibly
headlight upgrade (when needed)
portable or on-board air
front and rear air lockers <-- low priority

You should do at least the rear locker at the same time you do the gears. Your are in there and to do it later you will be looking at an additional $300 in labor.

Its the labor that kills you. You can get Yukon gears for around $175 is what I paid for mine. The set up kit with the bearings was the killer. It was $200+ for my e-locker. Luckily the e-locker I bought was in really good shape and low mile so my bearings were fine and I could reuse. I just needed the $35 kit that had the Crush, Gaskets and new nut. Did it myself so saved about $350-400 in labor on the rear. On the front I lucked out and found a factory 4.88 for $125.

I thought 4.10 was pretty standard gear in a lot of jeeps. Will the newer wrangler front end bolt into a XJ? Might be able to junkyard a set up front for a couple hundred that already has the gears you want.

cshontz

08-07-2007, 12:44 PM

You should do at least the rear locker at the same time you do the gears.

Good advice, and I might go that route if the budget allows. :)

LUISJG

08-07-2007, 03:19 PM

John90XJ

08-07-2007, 04:19 PM

I thought 4.10 was pretty standard gear in a lot of jeeps. Will the newer wrangler front end bolt into a XJ? Might be able to junkyard a set up front for a couple hundred that already has the gears you want.

That is how I did my gear swap from 3.55 to 4.10.....swapped axles.

Find an XJ with a non-disco D30 and a 4 cylinder and you've likely got 4.10 gears. It will give you a high pinion and bolt in.

As for the rear, you could go to a D35 from the same 4 cylinder rig (I ran one for quite a while) but for the money you're going to spend and the effort involved, swapping a Ford 8.8 in its place is a smart move. Much stronger 31 spline shafts, disc brakes, usually has 4.10 gears and a very strong limited slip. You can upgrade that later to a locker of your choice. You might be in that whole thing under $500 with new brackets and everything.

cshontz

08-07-2007, 05:13 PM

Good suggestions, but I'd prefer to keep my original components. I've swapped out entire assemblies before as an alternative to regearing, and ended up with a shattered ring gear - presumably fatigued by some catastrophic event. I know where my existing axles have been, they're low miles, and the strength of my 29 spline 8.25 is more than adequate for my needs.

kodiak1232003

08-14-2007, 06:28 AM

you should put rocker rails on top of the list ,,Iknow I hated myself for not doing that on my xj.
they are preety cheap now days on the xj fabrication busineses out there.

on the snorkel, look at the "airflow" dpg offroad, les expensive and Iloved it, it looks real good on my xj.

roof top tent...
well ,once you go RTT you never go back ,,eezi awn is the best.

you know, i have to dissagree. we did the maggiolina thing for a few trips, and while it had many pro's (comfy,e-z setup, etc) we just went camping up in julian (san diego mtns) for 3 days/nights using a ground tent, and i have to say these things:

1. if you're in camp for more than one night, tent set-up/takedown is no prob.
2. its nice not having to wake up fully if you have to pee/poo @ night...i hated having to be fully coherent enough to get down that damn ladder...lol
3. our particular tent is big, and fits all our gear...no getting bags in and out of the car all the time. just put it in the tent and leave it till you pack up.

for expeditions with "one night stays" and then "moving on's"...roof top tents are the bomb...
but, i'd consider NOT spending the $1000-2000 on a tent when 60 bucks @ walmart buys a darn good nights sleep. :)

p.s. we are 4. 2 adults and 2 LITTLE kids...so that may make a difference. even if we were just two (wife and i) i think we'd still prefer a ground tent. and if you're wondering if we think about safety/ predators/etc....my trusy 12gauge is always in our tent with us. :D

cshontz

08-14-2007, 12:30 PM

you know, i have to dissagree. we did the maggiolina thing for a few trips, and while it had many pro's (comfy,e-z setup, etc) we just went camping up in julian (san diego mtns) for 3 days/nights using a ground tent, and i have to say these things

All very good points, Brian. The fact that I'd have to break camp every time I want to use the Cherokee is a compromise that I'm not really looking forward to. Nor am I really eager to have a 120lb behemoth on my roof. :(

On the other hand:

1) No longer at the mercy of the terrain finding a place to camp.
2) Greatly reduced set-up and take-down time.
3) Gained valuable interior space for traveling light.
4) And of course, high and dry away from elements and critters.

I also hope it'll inspire me to go on more weekend exploration trips, instead of just day-trips all the time. :)

Doesn't this ground tent look inviting?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/75/272385521_0da741729d.jpg

John90XJ

08-14-2007, 04:24 PM

but, i'd consider NOT spending the $1000-2000 on a tent when 60 bucks @ walmart buys a darn good nights sleep. :)

Not to get off on a tangent, but I agree. I can see some advantages to the RTT but I've never known my ground tent to take me more than 5 minutes to set up, in any conditions, and it takes so little space I generally just leave it in the Jeep.

One thing I've noticed while roaming around this site is how many people feel comfortable with stuff on the roof. I did at first and now, after banging my rain gutters around on a few trips, keep everything including the spare tire inside and as low as possible. The difference in fuel economy is substantial.

kodiak1232003

08-14-2007, 04:57 PM

All very good points, Brian. The fact that I'd have to break camp every time I want to use the Cherokee is a compromise that I'm not really looking forward to. Nor am I really eager to have a 120lb behemoth on my roof. :(

On the other hand:

1) No longer at the mercy of the terrain finding a place to camp.
2) Greatly reduced set-up and take-down time.
3) Gained valuable interior space for traveling light.
4) And of course, high and dry away from elements and critters.
YUP, THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE LIKED, TOO
I also hope it'll inspire me to go on more weekend exploration trips, instead of just day-trips all the time. :)

Doesn't this ground tent look inviting?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/75/272385521_0da741729d.jpg

yeah, i guess it all depends on your trip. my wife's decided the type of trip she likes is the trip that allows you to make base camp and then take day runs or explorations.

i'm undecided, as i've done both. the maggiolina is wonderful after a long day on the road...5mins, pop it up, and you're there. :)

you've got some big decisions...hahaha...

(oh, and you're ground tent looks great!..nice setup)

cshontz

08-14-2007, 05:04 PM

(oh, and you're ground tent looks great!..nice setup)

Thanks! We picked up an enormous air mattress at the nearby Coleman outlet. That thing is pure gold. :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/67/190082054_c299b18d9a.jpg

BigAl

08-14-2007, 05:39 PM

Thanks! We picked up an enormous air mattress at the nearby Coleman outlet. That thing is pure gold. :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/67/190082054_c299b18d9a.jpg

That thing is awesome! There are sevral large beaver dams in Houtzdale that I'd love to explore with that:) I'm only half kidding, I've never seen a 2 tiered air mattress.:), that's sweet.

kcowyo

08-14-2007, 06:40 PM

It has pontoons too! :jumping:

cshontz

08-16-2007, 06:48 PM

Teaser.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1288/1139625175_d8c21b878a.jpg

detailbarn

08-16-2007, 07:42 PM

Teaser.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1288/1139625175_d8c21b878a.jpg

don't tell me you got the ARB tent , your truck is my favorite cherokee ever! now you go and add more ARB stuff ahh thats just the icing on the cake :drool:

jim65wagon

08-17-2007, 12:13 AM

once you unfold that are you sure it will fit under the tree canopy out in the woods? Be kinda funny to get it about halfway up and find a buncha limbs preventing a good nights sleep! It's gonna look cool at the Camp.

cshontz

08-17-2007, 03:26 AM

don't tell me you got the ARB tent , your truck is my favorite cherokee ever! now you go and add more ARB stuff ahh thats just the icing on the cake :drool:

Thanks for the compliment! It is indeed an ARB Simpson II. It sure does look monstrous on top of the Cherokee... although it is still in its box as I'm typing this.

cshontz

08-17-2007, 03:34 AM

I'm strongly considering limb risers, especially with the addition of the tent. I'm not quite sure where I'd go with them above the windshield though. Preferably, they'd deflect away from the tent, but considering I don't have anywhere to install them up there, that might be a tall order. :(

Suggestions?

John90XJ

08-17-2007, 04:44 AM

LUISJG

08-17-2007, 05:52 AM

come on Chris,,lets see the tent !!!!!:jumping:

cshontz

08-20-2007, 01:57 AM

There we go! :D

I thought folks might be interested, so I gave it a new thread.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7473

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1386/1176776592_e35b221b71.jpg

cshontz

09-12-2007, 04:10 PM

I've got the suspension and the sneakers to explore most roads, the bumper, the winch to get me out of a jam, the lights to illuminate the night, an all-knowing GPS that steers me true 100% of the time (yes ... 100% of the time - the GPS can do no wrong), the fridge, and an rtt for multi-day trips. The Cherokee is almost at a state that represents near-completion and true overlanding bliss!

My to-do list is as follows. After this stuff, I can't really see the Cherokee needing anything else. Its an excellent dual purpose vehicle, and I plan to keep it that way. :)

Gear swap. The 3.55's have to go, and I figure 4.10's would be just right.
Deep cycle battery. As soon as the Pep Boys special is in its throes of death, it'll be time to upgrade.
Snorkel! ...to prepare for that uncertain day when water of questionable depth prevents my passage.
Limb risers. This may not happen if I don't figure out a sturdy way to attach them to the roof. Not too big a deal.
Possibly rocker armor. I know I could use it, but there aren't any readily available that I really like. I want body-mounted panels.

Yep, definitely needs a snorkel!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1397/1323449900_19cd8a3e39.jpg

cshontz

09-12-2007, 04:30 PM

There's nothing about my GPS in this thread. I think I got it shortly after I decided I'd use my blog for everything. Well, I've decided to re-tool my web site to be specifically for adventure photo mapping instead of a blog, but ... that's a discussion for another thread.

Its a Garmin 276c with a 512k memory card and Mapsource City Navigator NT. I could really go for more topographical info, but the ability to come out of the woods and find the nearest pizza joint is pure gold. I love my GPS. My only complaints are expensive proprietary memory modules, and of course proprietary maps.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/335470743_cc66173d41_b.jpg

articulate

09-12-2007, 05:33 PM

A few days ago I saw a new JK with the ARB tent on top. T'was exciting to see.
Sure is a tall sucker all folded up.

the ability to come out of the woods and find the nearest pizza joint is pure gold
Got that right.
:arabia:

Dave

09-12-2007, 05:54 PM

Possibly rocker armor. I know I could use it, but there aren't any readily available that I really like. I want body-mounted panels.

Body mounted rocker armor?

BigAl

09-12-2007, 06:11 PM

... an all-knowing GPS that steers me true 100% of the time (yes ... 100% of the time - the GPS can do no wrong), ...

I think that's true, you just need to add bolt cutters and/or a banjo and you can go whereever that thing tells you to go:)

cshontz

09-12-2007, 06:12 PM

Body mounted rocker armor?

Indeed. Basically just reinforce the rockers with a heavy-duty steel overlay. My foremost concern is to preserve the clearance under the rockers, and it should also be a little bit of a weight savings. All I need is protection from debris, and the occasional (and unlikely) glancing blow.

At the same rate, I have concerns about trapped moisture and whatnot, so I'm not completely sold on the concept in terms of longevity... but I would strongly prefer something like this as opposed to a frame-mounted "nerf bar" style.

http://www.rockratz.com/railstextdisplay_jpg.jpg

JChatary

09-12-2007, 07:05 PM

It has pontoons too! :jumping:

I was just thinking that! LOL!!!!!!

CJC99TJ

09-12-2007, 08:26 PM

C.Shontz - I really love your Jeep! Looks awesome!

ShottsCruisers

09-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Indeed. Basically just reinforce the rockers with a heavy-duty steel overlay. My foremost concern is to preserve the clearance under the rockers, and it should also be a little bit of a weight savings. All I need is protection from debris, and the occasional (and unlikely) glancing blow.

At the same rate, I have concerns about trapped moisture and whatnot, so I'm not completely sold on the concept in terms of longevity... but I would strongly prefer something like this as opposed to a frame-mounted "nerf bar" style.

http://www.rockratz.com/railstextdisplay_jpg.jpg

Looking at this design I can see that the vehicle's rocker metal will still bend and dislocate due to the 3/16 steel only being attached to the rocker itself. Or, am I missing something? (Could be!)

cshontz

09-12-2007, 08:48 PM

Looking at this design I can see that the vehicle's rocker metal will still bend and dislocate due to the 3/16 steel only being attached to the rocker itself. Or, am I missing something? (Could be!)

I agree that its not something that would stand up to regular abuse, and not necessarily suited technical terrain. However, most light to medium impacts should easily be absorbed by the steel plate, which will distribute the impact across a much larger surface area of the body panel.

Your point is valid, however. There is definitely a fine line as far as to how much abuse something like this could or should take, but I think it'd likely be adequate for my application.

John90XJ

09-13-2007, 03:03 AM

Looking at the lowest point of your rig, your rockers aren't it. I would look at getting something that tucks up close but does not overlay the rocker panel itself. I've had great luck with some .250" wall rails welded directly to the frame rails. Bolt-ons have also been worthwhile. I did run the factory Mopar units years ago and can confirm that light gauge metal is going to look like crap even after a trip to the mall. I think you need to spread the load to something other than the sheet metal you're trying to protect. Think of it like insurance, you want to have enough for a real problem, not just light duty problems.

As for the snorkel, I've never needed one. But if it were necessary, I would find a different route. In water deep enough to need one, there are far too many problem areas other than the air intake that will screw up your day. Most rear differential breathers are under water at that point, as will be the alternator, your electric fans sucking water in as well as the traditionally leaky door seals. If it's for looks, then that's another story. Personally, I would route a line from the airbox to the cowl and run a hidden snorkel.

For the limb risers, the antennas work really well if you put a CB aerial on the left side. For actual risers maybe you could rig something that would go up to your RTT and make them removable, protecting the tent?

John90XJ

09-13-2007, 03:08 AM

If you were going to look at something light duty, try getting some of that food grade super high density polyethylene and form your own. They would be slick and easy for rocks to glide over, would form well, easy to attach, color is all the way through, easy to repair with woodworking tools and would make good skid plates for light use.

I still think steel is the preferred option but weight considerations would make me look at this material.

JeepinJason

09-13-2007, 03:43 AM

cshontz

09-13-2007, 04:09 AM

durn it Chris, just buy those 1/8" rails by AJ's already. They're not overly heavy, won't make an appreciable impact on your ground clearance, they'll stand up to whatever you'd throw at them, they've got a good mounting system, and if you paint them black they'd barely be noticeable. I know you want those body-mounted ones, but this isn't a TJ ;) - I think you'd really be better off with a traditional frame/pinch seam mounted rock rail.

Yeah, I will take that into serious consideration, and I appreciate your suggestion - you know I'm stubborn about how I want things to be. I suppose frame-mounted rockers left a bad taste in my mouth after the Tomkens I had so many years ago. In any case, they're still a little ways off, so I have plenty of time to consider my options. :ylsmoke:

Dave

09-13-2007, 01:58 PM

Second the light duty AJ's Offroad Armor rails. I ran them on my XJ and they held up fine to many hard hits.

JeepinJason

09-13-2007, 04:38 PM

I suppose frame-mounted rockers left a bad taste in my mouth after the Tomkens I had so many years ago.

Ahhhh... toootally understandable in that case. Shoot, my last rockers were supposedly some of the best at the time, but their support legs still bent causing damage to my rockers and pinch seam (doesn't matter how beefy the rail itself is if the mounting system is weak)... so much so that my current rails needed to be welded on because the pinch seam was pushed up so much in places (the new ones are SO-LID!)

If you still want the high-clearance "body-mounted" option... you could always cut out the rockers and replace them with steel tubing. :sombrero:

cshontz

09-27-2007, 08:18 PM

Back on the subject of rocker guards - I took a close look at Warn's offering. The pictures on the web don't do them justice. They're pretty nice - very close to the body, and seemingly well-reinforced. I didn't buy them yet (as I'm typing this), but I really like 'em.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/1449426818/

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1449434054_34a624ccd0_b.jpg

cshontz

11-03-2007, 05:17 AM

I've actually not been doing anything new to the Cherokee lately. Aside from the pending 3.55 to 4.10 gear swap, its at a satisfactory state for multipurpose use. Though I would take it a little bit further if I had the cash. So its a matter of money, and practicality. I wish we lived somewhere better suited for an overland type of vehicle. I feel like I've milked these parts as much as I can.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2043/1673606850_94f07c689e_b.jpg

I went to a nearby state forest district office and collected a huge stack of DCNR maps, and camping regulations. There are so many rules - only camp in designated areas, which is reasonable enough, but they are relatively few and uninteresting. You also have to get a camping permit and notify the office in advance of your visit. You need to apply for permission if your group is over x number of people. Again, not unreasonable because our state forests are beautiful, and these regulations will help keep them that way. Its just not very accommodating for overlanding, which is just frustrating because its something I'd love to do more often.

I'll do it, however. I'll plan the routes in advance, and adhere to their regulations. I'm just discouraged because their system doesn't allow me to do it on a whim.

On a different note, my dad got a nice 03 TT in place of a beater 91 Miata he had been driving that he picked up for a few hundred a couple of years ago. When dad got the new car, he offered to give me the Miata. I can't say I've lusted for that particular car, but I have been longing for a driver's car for quite some time now. I've been wanting a MINI Cooper for years, and just haven't been in a position to get one. A Miata is a fun little car, and fills that void. Its in fair mechanical condition and runs pretty well, but cosmetically... its a different story. Still... the price was right.

So I have it in my cluttered garage one-car garage, partially buried under a heap of stuff. Its holding its fluids pretty well for 230k miles. This is a picture of the pretty end, but there isn't a fender that isn't dented or rusted.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2228/1784916524_48016fc327_b.jpg

ExpoMike

11-03-2007, 03:20 PM

Nice Miata. They are great cars. I currently own a white '96 and have owned two '94's in the past. Congrats!

kcowyo

11-03-2007, 04:08 PM

You're married, so a red convertible isn't going to be getting you any ladies. Just enjoy the 30+ mpg, the wind in your hair and the absence of a decent sized cup holder.

Dents, schmentz...... :cow:

articulate

11-04-2007, 02:11 AM

Roadsters. Mmmm-hmmm. I've wanted a Miata for quite some time.

You're married, so a red convertible isn't going to be getting you any ladies.
Yes it will.

kcowyo

11-04-2007, 03:26 PM

Yes it will.
They're not looking at you or your ragtop TJ. It's your snorkel that leaves 'em all warm & fuzzy. :shakin:

BigAl

11-06-2007, 06:02 PM

I went to a nearby state forest district office and collected a huge stack of DCNR maps, and camping regulations. There are so many rules - only camp in designated areas, which is reasonable enough, but they are relatively few and uninteresting. You also have to get a camping permit and notify the office in advance of your visit. You need to apply for permission if your group is over x number of people. Again, not unreasonable because our state forests are beautiful, and these regulations will help keep them that way. Its just not very accommodating for overlanding, which is just frustrating because its something I'd love to do more often.

I'll do it, however. I'll plan the routes in advance, and adhere to their regulations. I'm just discouraged because their system doesn't allow me to do it on a whim.

I'm with on the PA state forest buracracy. I've had good luck in Sproul State Forest which is just a few hours north of you, I think. I've applied for a permit twice there. They like to know your exact location but I've said I'll be exploring around and they let it slide if i give a general area. I think their office is in Renova but they let me do it all by mail. I'm lucky to have a large don't ask, don't tell abandoned mining area close to me. I can camp there hassle free 24/7/365:)

Rothrock SF is 2 minutes from my door but they only allow camping by back packers on thru trips. :(

jim65wagon

11-07-2007, 08:50 PM

Ya'll can just come down heah to Virginny and we'll hed up to George Washington, camp anywheah ya like...

jeepboyd

11-08-2007, 01:56 AM

cshontz

02-04-2008, 02:22 PM

Just an update to my thread where - nothing really happens. Aside from the gear job that continues to elude me, I'd still like to do sliders.

I want to create a false floor much like the one they made for the Disco on EE (http://www.expeditionexchange.com/slidelock/). I already have an Engel Slide Lock from Sierra Expeditions and everything. I've actually been planning on doing this for a year or so now.

I've been putting more thought into gear than Jeep mods, lately. Right now, I have a fascination with kayaks and would seriously like to try it and get into that - especially since we live so close to the river. Photography and camera equipment has also taken precedence lately. With multiple ExPo trips coming this summer (one to the woods, one to the beach), we could really use some hygienical items, such as a portable toilet and enclosure. Some new sleeping bags would be good too.

My wife Jen likes to pack multiple comforter blankets when we go camping, and thats a bad habit that I need to curb. Its a matter of being able to pack efficiently in the XJ's limited interior space.

Explorer 1

02-04-2008, 03:08 PM

Since I so rarely had a need for the back seat in my Cherokee, I removed it and installed this platform level with the rear deck, I store my second battery and equipment under it and it also extends the deck so I can sleep inside. I like to be able to access the refg. while driving and not have to move the spare tire arm and open the rear hatch to get a drink so I installed my refg. on the deck behind the drivers seat.

Hope this helps,
Fred
Explorer 1

cshontz

02-04-2008, 03:26 PM

I removed it and installed this platform level with the rear deck

That is very slick, Fred. I love it, and I'd like to do the same, except I have one of these... ;)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/1694936030_e69226aba2.jpg

If only the Cherokee XJ was equipped with a split rear seat.

EDIT: Your picture inspires me to move my spare outside. That's a really nice setup.

John90XJ

02-04-2008, 03:36 PM

PRP makes some really cool kid's seats. Creating a single rear seat with a deck surrounding it on the one side might be an option. And then Junior can still go while riding in a very safe and comfortable suspension seat made just for him.

He's a handsome boy too!

stick

02-04-2008, 04:38 PM

Chris, this has to be one of the nicest and cleanest looking XJs that I've seen. I really like what you've done with it. Keep up the good work.

cshontz

02-05-2008, 04:41 AM

Chris, this has to be one of the nicest and cleanest looking XJs that I've seen. I really like what you've done with it. Keep up the good work.

Thanks, stick. :beer:

tdesanto

02-05-2008, 04:57 AM

Chris, this has to be one of the nicest and cleanest looking XJs that I've seen. I really like what you've done with it. Keep up the good work.

x2

I have to agree. I really dig the color-matched ARB bumper.

If I ever choose to switch vehicles, this model is on my short list. It seems so capable with almost all the after-market support one could ever want.

cshontz

02-05-2008, 05:18 AM

Its at these late hours, when I'm restless, that I get to thinking... - actually, one of my favorite pastimes is considering what I might do to my vehicles. This is bad, because thinking about mods is a byproduct of inactivity. When I'm actually out there doing it, the word modification seldom enters my mind.

For now, I'm going to succumb to my fantasy, and briefly list things that I want without making any effort to be sensible, and without justification.

A whole new vehicle
Yes, I love my Cherokee, but I've been driving Cherokees all my life. Sometimes, I just want to be daring, throw caution to the wind, and try something else. I like the Taco, the FJ Cruiser, the 4Runner, the 60's and 80's. I love the Disco, the Rangie, and the 110. Oh, and I can't forget the 2010 AEV Rubicon Diesel w/ the Expedition Package.

More lift
Damn you, inchitis. I find myself more tolerant of short ride heights and smaller tires than most Jeepers I know. Its not a bad thing - it keeps things low-maintenance, which means less wrenching and more driving. I do like to play, however. When I'm out there and come across a technical section of trail, I feel like I've struck gold. Maybe it'd be okay to make it a little taller - 3.5" w/ 265/75R16, instead of 2" w/ 245/75R16.

Adventure Trailer
Does this even require any explanation? They're functional works of art, in my opinion. On solo trips, the size of the XJ is perfectly adequate, but when I'm with the family... it quite frankly feels like the wrong vehicle. The Adventure Trailer would certainly remedy that. Its not entirely unrealistic, so perhaps someday.

And more!
Warn rock sliders, a Safari Snorkel, and an AEV or Detours tire carrier. Possibly AEV wheels, or something Roverish like a NATO-style steelie. A water tank, a power inverter, and on-board air is extremely overdue. Of course I can't forget that gear job I've been wanting... oh, and ARB Air Lockers. I'll also need a deep cycle battery (inevitable anyway) and possibly a solar power source.

Jay S.

02-05-2008, 10:59 AM

Think about the JKS rock sliders. I've got them on my 98XJ and love the sturdiness of their construction and the look. They not only mount to the pinch-weld but have "legs" that go down to the unibody frame rails.

Explorer 1

02-05-2008, 11:15 PM

Enjoy them while they are that small.......

cshontz

02-06-2008, 03:10 PM

Thanks for the compliments, guys. :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1309/859540034_769df00c23.jpg

ExpoMike

02-06-2008, 03:34 PM

Wow, he's strong for a little tike. Pulling the Cherokee one handed...:smileeek:

Explorer 1

02-06-2008, 07:14 PM

Here is a close-up photo of how I used the existing floor nut in the wheel well to attach the hinge. You can also see two of the bolts/nuts that attach the hinge to the plywood. The torax bolt in the lower right is where the back seat seatbelt connected. I now use for an electrical ground.

I waterproofed the entire area with a rhino-liner product.

Hope this helps,

Fred
Explorer 1

P.S. to cshontz....good idea teaching them when they are young how to pull the line and attach it so dad can stay inside, especially when it is snowing!

cshontz

03-25-2008, 04:01 AM

I just noticed the title of this thread says , "(Progress)" - ROFLMAO. That's pretty funny.

Todo: (between now and 2050)

Bump Stops / Coil Spacers (height tweak)
Warn Rocker Guards
ARB Safari Snorkel
Dual-Battery Setup (per OJ)
HAM Radio
Kayak (?)
False Floor
4.10 Gear Job (elusive)
Toilet w/ Shelter
Warn Air Compressor

I'm sitting just a tad low in the front, even with the RTT. So I'm going to bring it up .4", and I also need to put in some bump-stop spacers to kill two birds with one stone. Nothing to it, so this'll be done in the next month or so for sure.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2095/2275508806_5ec28bc56d_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2031/2275509412_c0744eb074_m.jpg

Of course, reading Overland Journal, I got turned on to a dual-battery setup. The concept isn't new to me, but the article really put the benefit into perspective. If you've camped with me, you know I run the Cherokee before bed, and again in the morning to make sure there's enough juice with the fridge running. That's getting old.

Among other things that are getting old is sharp-shooting into a cat-hole, in the privacy of dense brush.

The kayak thing - I don't even know if I'll like paddling or not yet, but I'm pretty sure I'll dig it. I can picture myself exploring up and down the river, and taking pictures. I'm not quite sure where I'd put it if the RTT is going to be up there, though. Maybe longer Thule load bars, but at that point I'm really exceeding the width of the Jeep.

Spikepretorius

03-25-2008, 06:07 AM

Must be the denim jacket.

cshontz

03-25-2008, 12:13 PM

Must be the denim jacket.

GAH!!!! :smilies27 :p

jim65wagon

03-25-2008, 08:35 PM

Must be the denim jacket.

:xxrotflma

You could always go the Odyssey route with tons of reserve and AHs to power that fridge overnight...your, uh, sponsor, should let you test one right?

IH8RDS

03-25-2008, 10:23 PM

Chris,
I'm sitting at 4" with 31" tires now and I am really considering just staying there. The wheels stuff great and my fenders don't fall off all the time...lol. The stock rims helped allot. The 4.56's are over the top, but I like the towing.

prepmech

03-25-2008, 10:39 PM

I had a '90 XJ with a three inch lift and 31" tires, and really liked it.

I also wheeled my current XJ with 4.5" of lift and 31" tires for a while and it did great too.

31" tires are about as big as you want to go without having to think about trimming. You may even be able to get away without a SYE. It is still easy to get in and out of them when they are that height.

Looking back... things sure were a lot easier when I was on 31s.

Starscream

03-30-2008, 08:27 PM

:beer:

Nice, thread Chris. I do have to say, your XJ is one of the nicest I've seen. Where do you get all those high-quality parts?..... LOL!

cshontz

07-27-2008, 12:48 PM

I'm sitting just a tad low in the front, even with the RTT. So I'm going to bring it up .4", and I also need to put in some bump-stop spacers to kill two birds with one stone. Nothing to it, so this'll be done in the next month or so for sure.

I did this yesterday. Popped out my .75 + .6" spacers and put in a 1.75" spacer, and 2" bump stop extensions from RE. I haven't tested, but this looks like it should prevent my tires from eating my bumper.

I broke my factory jack, though. :(

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/16093952_5cd61e2183.jpg

This year for the Monongahela trip, my goal is to have a tuned, working CB radio that sends as well as receives. Imagine the possibilities!

IH8RDS

07-27-2008, 01:59 PM

This year for the Monongahela trip, my goal is to have a tuned, working CB radio that sends as well as receives. Imagine the possibilities!

That reminds me. I have to relocate my antenna.

What CB are you using. I have that Cobra 75WXST. Not to impressed with it, except for the small footprint.

cshontz

07-27-2008, 02:11 PM

I'm using a Uniden 520XL (if I remember correctly). Its always served me well as long as my antenna and power setup is correct (which it clearly hasn't been for a while). Small footprint, sturdy, basic CB.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/111028088_4768038499.jpg

ExpoMike

07-27-2008, 11:30 PM

I did this yesterday. Popped out my .75 + .6" spacers and put in a 1.75" spacer, and 2" bump stop extensions from RE. I haven't tested, but this looks like it should prevent my tires from eating my bumper.

I broke my factory jack, though. :(

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/16093952_5cd61e2183.jpg

This year for the Monongahela trip, my goal is to have a tuned, working CB radio that sends as well as receives. Imagine the possibilities!

Just an FYI, you can get a little more droop out of the suspension if you trim the shock mount on the axle where the lower control arm hits. Look on your pic where the arm hits.

Most aftermarket arms are built so they don't hit the axle mount without having to trim. When I put my JKS arms in, I got an extra 1.5" of droop from this extra clearance. Figured I would throw it out there. Great looking rig as always.

jim65wagon

07-29-2008, 07:29 PM

I did this yesterday. Popped out my .75 + .6" spacers and put in a 1.75" spacer, and 2" bump stop extensions from RE. I haven't tested, but this looks like it should prevent my tires from eating my bumper.
So this means we probably won't be seeing a Mini Cooper at Mon? I was really looking forward to that...

This year for the Monongahela trip, my goal is to have a tuned, working CB radio that sends as well as receives. Imagine the possibilities

But if you fix it, then we can't say stuff about you over the CB...you'll be able to respond! No wisecracks without a retort!

cshontz

08-29-2008, 01:53 AM

If you've been following the inside of my brain, you'd know that for the past few weeks, and then on intermittent weeks, every other week or two, I've been strongly considering selling the Cherokee. I even posted it for sale on a local forum, concluding the thread with, "Nevermind. You don't want it."

Well, this intra-personal drama aside, the Cherokee was apparently privy to my plans, and much like my wife, has decided to become high-maintenance over a reasonably short period of time. Some may scoff, but to me, this is ample proof that love is the primary ingredient for keeping a vehicle in good health. Malcolm Reynolds said it best at the very end of Serenity.

So what have we got goin' on?

On the way to WV while driving up a long hill, the transmission started puking resulting in a smoke screen and splattering a nice BMW behind me. It has always done this since I've been running on 245's, but only on really long interstate uphills.
While in WV the front brakes were smoking going DOWN hills. So great, smoke from tranny going uphill, smoke from brakes going downhill. This isn't necessarily a problem, but still. It was around this time that I stepped in human feces.
Blew a tire while in WV. Yes, tires go bad. The BFG AT's have had a good run. Of course the dirt road I was on wasn't very dramatic, but when it rains, it pours. I now have 3 worn, but decent BFG's, and a $25 WV-special Kumho.
On the way home from WV, I'm noticing a little death-wobble on the PA turnpike. I guess if its a little death-wobble, its not death-wobble. But still, it alerted me to worn front-end parts, and has gotten much worse very quickly.
On the way home from work the other day, my A/C stopped working. If you're curious read my other thread, but that about sums it up. The air blows warm, and this makes baby Jesus cry.

Despite this onslaught of misfortune and woe, I have once again decided to love my Cherokee. It is truly a magnificent vehicle, full of win and awesome. It deserves a better owner than myself, but I will do my best to make it happy. I'll buff out the scratches with fairy wings, and check on it every night before bed. In light of this, I expect it will make a full recovery.

Today, I ordered a new tie rod end, and a JKS adjustable front trackbar.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/71/193108673_b2775ed7ca.jpg

sandalscout

08-29-2008, 02:10 AM

Good for you, it's a great jeep, I'm sure, and what little bit of problems you two have can surely be worked through.

Some may scoff, but to me, this is ample proof that love is the primary ingredient for keeping a vehicle in good health.

No scoffing here, my mom taught me this a long time ago. She gave me her old Cavalier back in the 90s, and she always kept it really clean and happy, and told me to do the same. One time, after not keeping it all clean and everything, it started acting funny, weird electrical issues, misfiring even though everything checked out, plugs good, etc. Took it to the car wash, full detail, etc, and she was GREAT for months.... I let it start slipping again, and out of nowhere, the block cracked. My current DD runs better when I've been loving her.

IH8RDS

08-29-2008, 02:17 AM

Mines just the opposite. The more I abuse it the better it runs. We'll see. I'm changing all the fluids this weekend. I hope she doesn't protest. She really really likes her old transmission fluid.

Maximus Ram

08-29-2008, 03:40 AM

Chris, it sounds like you need to stay out of WV.....thats were all of the troubles are.

Even with these slight inconveniences, once they are fixed you will think to yourself "how could I have ever thought of selling her":)

ExpoMike

08-29-2008, 04:29 AM

Chris, it sounds like you need to stay out of WV.....thats were all of the troubles are.

Now that is what I was thinking... :sport_box

OverlandZJ

08-29-2008, 05:38 AM

I'm betting your DW symptoms are related to that tire you purchased. Although the PA Pike is well known to beat the **** out of a vehicle..

Give the XJ some lovin and lets meet in your area for a quickie... RTT style. :costumed-smiley-007

cshontz

08-29-2008, 10:40 AM

"how could I have ever thought of selling her"

Its a man. (sans trucknuts) :mad:

I'm betting your DW symptoms are related to that tire you purchased. Although the PA Pike is well known to beat the **** out of a vehicle..

Give the XJ some lovin and lets meet in your area for a quickie... RTT style.

The tire may have set it off, but I had Jen work the wheel while I watched, and the frame end of the trackbar had visible slop, as did the top end of the drag link. Its pretty bad. I'm not driving it until its sorted, but the parts should be here soon.

I don't have an RTT anymore. :(

ExpoMike

08-29-2008, 02:01 PM

The tire may have set it off, but I had Jen work the wheel while I watched, and the frame end of the trackbar had visible slop, as did the top end of the drag link. Its pretty bad. I'm not driving it until its sorted, but the parts should be here soon.

If you were still running the stock, high mileage track bar with your lift, that's exactly why it wore out. First with the high mileage, things are going to start showing wear but then add a lift and it greatly accelerates this, since the factory one was never designed (and a stupid design at that) to operate at the increased angle.

[/rant on] Not knocking on you but just a general rant, I find it interesting how people modify their vechicles beyond the factory specs and then wonder why parts break, wear out, etc. If you want to get the maximum life out of the suspension and steering, leave it bone stock, otherwise you need to deal with these short comings and buy upgraded parts. I have never understood the "I added xyz part(s) and now abc wore out, broke, etc." Well Duh!!!! It's not stock anymore is it? [/rant off]

Congrats on the choice of keeping the XJ and getting some upgraded parts ordered.

cshontz

08-29-2008, 02:56 PM

I agree with your rant. Our vehicles are of the most sound engineering in their factory state. Components and geometry being out of spec is the price we pay for a little extra payload / ground clearance. Then we have to do our best to bring it back to spec with further modifications.

cshontz

08-30-2008, 03:02 PM

I have the tie rod end. I'm just waiting on the JKS track bar. I'm not going to bother doing any work this weekend, but I might wash it. It still has filth on it from 5 weeks ago. Even a good wash is "love".

Its time to start thinking about tires. They're not in the budget at the moment, especially considering the A/C issue, but my BFG's were starting to get worn, and now that I have only 3 of them - I'm thinking I'll need new sneakers come spring.

I've always been a fan of BFG's, but the load range factor is enough to get me to look at another brand. If I can improve comfort further (and its already fairly comfortable) obviously without affecting trailability, it could increase my desire to drive / keep.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/2750962871_072a414557.jpg

jim65wagon

08-30-2008, 03:22 PM

I've always been a fan of BFG's, but the load range factor is enough to get me to look at another brand. If I can improve comfort further (and its already fairly comfortable) obviously without affecting trailability, it could increase my desire to drive / keep.

Chris, the BFGs are good tires as you know, but there are alternatives. Get online (I know you know how to do that!) and check out Cooper, Dean and Mastercraft. Cooper makes them all, as well as the ProComp/ Mickey Ts and Dick Cepeks and various other brands.

Mark will tell you the Dean Mud Terrain SXTs are quiet and work very well offroad. I will tell you the Cooper Discoverer ST's are louder than your BFGs, work well off road, ride nice on-road and are wearing well.

When you get off the net, go wash that Jeep!

cshontz

08-30-2008, 03:33 PM

I can't wash it today. We're going over to the in-laws pool to hang. Otherwise, I'd be out there right now.

Mike actually turned me on to the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo, which looks pretty rockin' for a dd. Good reviews. Nice tread pattern for both on-highway and off, and best of all - load range C. I'm still going to keep an eye out, but thats the way the wind is blowin'.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_dueler_at_revo_wl_ci2_l.jpg

Starscream

08-30-2008, 11:56 PM

Not sure what price point you are looking at, but I have become quite fond of the Michelin LTX AT2. I had an opportunity to participate in the Michelin Off-Road Driving Experience in VT a few weeks ago. This was one of the tires I evaluated. It really impressed me.

Quiet on the road, excellent handling and braking in wet & dry conditions, and the off-road capabilities were quite impressive.

The test vehicle was a 94 Range Rover LWB w/ coil spring conversion. Size was 245/75R16.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/michelin/mi_ltx_at2_ci2_l.jpg

Just my 2 cents :)

cshontz

08-31-2008, 12:17 AM

Michelin Off-Road Driving Experience in VT a few weeks ago.

Hey, I was sent there too, Matt. That is an awesome program, or whatever. I was even an active 'wheeler at the time and gleaned alot of valuable knowledge.

Your suggestion is noted. I've had Michelin LTX's before on a non-wheeler, and I was very happy with them. I'll take a look at the specs.

FourByLand

08-31-2008, 12:20 AM

Why did you ditch the tent?

cshontz

08-31-2008, 12:59 AM

Why did you ditch the tent?

It wasn't mine in an official capacity. It was essentially the showroom model for the company I worked for. I returned it upon changing jobs. :)

Parting with it didn't break my heart. While it was awesome to deploy and use, it was a little much for my dd to lug around everywhere. I'd do a RTT again, but on a trailer ideally.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2358766509_82d9153c34.jpg

cshontz

09-01-2008, 03:31 AM

Woot! Clean! ...and then I took it to the river despite the worn front end, because its the only way to transport the kayak.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2815691279_928502f0b3_b.jpg

Jay S.

09-01-2008, 08:37 PM

cshontz

09-02-2008, 01:09 AM

Hey Chris,
I have a question about your IPF lights. Are you running them off the stock fog light circuit and factory wiring or do they have their own?
I'm considering buying a set, but the 65-watt H9 bulbs concern me....

Hey, Jay. The IPF lights come with their own wiring harness which is really easy to install. I'm not using the stock circuitry, except I did choose to use the factory switch.

I'm not sure what concerns you about the bulb, but they're very efficient and produce great light. They're weather sealed, water-tight, and haven't missed a beat since I started using 'em. If its any consolation, Scott Brady used these same lights (the round version) on his Tacoma, which has seen all kinds of action.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/362603133_bff7ff73f3_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/362602926_b4dcbf7c97_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/374051358_363307682b_b.jpg

LOL! These instructions crack me up.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/362606263_2e7b2dc785_b.jpg

Jay S.

09-02-2008, 01:17 AM

I guess I should explain that it's the factory wiring (that powered two 55-watt fog lights) that I'm concerned about, if it's up to the task of working with the bulbs that draw more amps.

FourByLand

09-02-2008, 02:07 AM

It wasn't mine in an official capacity. It was essentially the showroom model for the company I worked for. I returned it upon changing jobs. :)

Parting with it didn't break my heart. While it was awesome to deploy and use, it was a little much for my dd to lug around everywhere. I'd do a RTT again, but on a trailer ideally.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2358766509_82d9153c34.jpg

Thanks Chris, I always enjoy your thoughts and photos! I also look forward to your trailer build.

:p

cshontz

09-09-2008, 02:53 AM

I hate wrenching. I don't know how you Jeepers cope with it. I can drive it from here to high-heaven, but I'd rather have a hole in my head than work on it. That being said, I'm mechanically competent (well... kinda) when something does need attention. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

Anyway, I digress. Yesterday, I installed the tie-road end and the... well... just the tie rod end. Nothing to it. Unbolted it. Gave it the old smackaroo - flop.

So then I moved on to the JKS trackbar. Got the old trackbar off easy enough and then sat down in a chair with the instructions. Okay, I needed a 9/16 drill... a 9/16 drill... - no dice. Off to Sears I went. I came home with a drill bit with the wrong shank. No time in the day left to go back, so that was that.

On my way home from work tonight, I replaced the drill bit, went home, popped the hole in the bracket and bolted the trackbar up to the frame. Well captain brainstorm here used a ratchet to hold the nut to the top. Cranked it so hard, and went to remove the ratchet from the top... wouldn't you know it was pinned against the frame!

Hours went by before I finally got it out of there. What should've taken 30 minutes was an epic ordeal. I am capable of making the most trivial tasks difficult.

After that was sorted at 10 PM, I did a driveway alignment. LOL! - yeah, that won't do.

grahamfitter

09-09-2008, 03:39 AM

SeaRubi

09-09-2008, 01:01 PM

We've all been there, Chris. Just think, it could be much worse - you could be trying to maintain a Rover instead of a Jeep. :coffeedrink: (BTDTGTTS)

Similar story, I knackered the threads really bad on the bottom side bolt on the PS framehorn on my LJ when installing the warn front bumper. A dealership mechanic ended up spotting the missing bolt during one of the warranty maintenance visits and corrected my handiwork for free :o

TheGillz

09-09-2008, 04:45 PM

I have a love/hate relationship with wrenching, I usually love it for the first 20 min, then I screw something up and hate the next two hours fixing what should have taken an additional 10...but I do it again...

jim65wagon

09-09-2008, 09:34 PM

Sometimes, Chris, its the easy-peasy that sneaks up and kicks you in the, well, posterior!

I almost burned out the tranny on Beths car this past summer just trying to change the fluid. You know what happens when you overtorque a cork gasket....it tears...which makes leaks...so you tighten it more...so it tears more....so it leaks more....10 miles to the store, blowing tranny fluid all over the exhaust; smoke billowing, horns honking, fingers flying (theirs not mine). Buy twice as much fluid as needed and some RTV. Dump half of purchase in the tranny in the parking lot, scoot on home (remember the smoke, horns and fingers - oops there they are again). Drop the pan at home burn your fingers coat it with rtv (pan and fingers) let it set 20 minutes while you nurse your fingers bolt it back up fill it with fluid clean up the mess wife comes home in the truck..."Hey Honey, hows my car?" "Fine dear, you know me, like Scotty with the Enterprise - runs fine but I canna gi ya more power, captain!" Whew!

At least the bar is on, get a proper alignment done then I'll tell you the story of the auto shop that wanted 600 bucks to change the tie rod ends and do an alignment on the car!

cshontz

11-09-2008, 05:06 PM

I have the Cherokee out getting some much-needed tlc. Playing a little catch-up, but hopefully it'll be tip-top again after a good once-over. With gas prices how they are, I'd like to hit the trail sometime soon.

Next on the agenda is some new tires. The three remaining BFG's are still okay, but I'm running one junk Kumho from a mishap in WV.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2908562674_76004b2083_b.jpg

Haggis

11-09-2008, 09:57 PM

Have you decide on what tires your mounting yet or are you still weighing your options?

cshontz

11-10-2008, 12:28 AM

Have you decide on what tires your mounting yet or are you still weighing your options?

Leaning toward the Dueler Revo in 245/75R16 load range C, but I must admit the Jeeper in me wants something less sensible. I love the 235/85 BFG MT KM2's, but I can't justify it.

IH8RDS

11-10-2008, 12:40 AM

Chris,

What do you not like about the BFG A/T's? THat is what I will go with next. I currently run Firestone Destination MT's.

cshontz

11-10-2008, 12:57 AM

What do you not like about the BFG A/T's? THat is what I will go with next. I currently run Firestone Destination MT's.

I like everything but the load range E in the 16" sizes. They were designed with much heavier vehicles in mind, and as a result they feel like bricks on the lightweight XJ. The ride quality is still within the realm of satisfactory for a Jeep, but I want to try to soften mine up a bit. :)

Rest-assured, if BFG AT's were offered in 16" sizes in a C, they'd be at the top of my list. I love these tires.

AFSOC

11-10-2008, 01:04 AM

I'm running 245x75R16 Firestone Destination MTs on my 99 XJ...they're available in Load Range "C". I have found them to be very well mannered on the road and I am very satisfied with them in the off-highway terrain types predominant to FL. They might be worth your consideration if you're willing to look at well behaved max traction tire.

troy

11-10-2008, 02:56 PM

I ran the 245/70/16 load range C Revo's for 2 years. I loved them when they were new, but they tended to wear faster than I'm used to. As they wore they became noticeably louder. It is still a very good tire and I thought traction was better than the BFG ATs when they were new.

However, I went back to BFG ATs (255/70/16 load D) and I love them. I'm also a fan of the BFG MTs. On my TJ I had over 50K on a set of the first gen KMs and they still had 15-20K left in them when I sold it. If we didn't have so much snow here I'd be all over the KM/2's.

ignorant

11-10-2008, 04:32 PM

Wow.. Cheez-it from #jeep has all growed up..

I think I used to go by fuzzy on there.. I don't remember.

Anyway.. Nice rig man.

cshontz

11-24-2008, 11:50 PM

Well, my last "mod", of all things was a Land Rover bottle jack, which I purchased as a replacement to my broken factory jack. Now I can install my spare in the event of a flat - which is always nice. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/3053386178_889548d67c.jpg

cshontz

11-25-2008, 02:13 AM

One thing that I decided when I went on the trip with the XV-JP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/sets/72157607932395617/) is that I love having ample power. Granted, I don't plan to install three batteries and a solar panel, but... a dual-battery setup certainly moved up a notch on the priority list.

Also, this isn't very important, but I'd like to upgrade my Garmin GPSMAP 276C Chartplotter to a Garmin GPSMAP 640 Chartplotter. Even though I've had my 276C for well over a year, the marine/auto unit seems to be one of Garmin's last models to be "contemporized". I knew this going in, and I wouldn't mind getting a little bit closer to the bleeding edge this time around.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00696-40/en/cf-lg.jpg

cshontz

11-30-2008, 02:44 PM

The rear driveshaft has been making some noise, so I took it out to look things over. First, the slip-shaft seemed seized, so I had trouble getting it unseated from either yoke. I'd pry on it at the axle end, and instead of the shaft collapsing, it'd just push the whole transfer case forward. As I was prying, one of the endcaps even slipped off the joint at the double-cardan end, which wasn't a good sign.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/3068899010_d5b2333efc_b.jpg

Purple People Eater

11-30-2008, 05:47 PM

Interesting. Do you know what caused the trouble? Was it a part malfunction, lack of maintenance, install mishap?

cshontz

11-30-2008, 06:19 PM

Interesting. Do you know what caused the trouble? Was it a part malfunction, lack of maintenance, install mishap?

Nah, its just from normal wear and tear. Though it does seem premature, as the driveshaft is only a few years old. Hopefully a shop can service it back into shape without much trouble.

Backwoods Rambler

11-30-2008, 07:14 PM

That looks worse/older than the one I pulled out of my '78 ScoutII and stuck in my XJ after the SYE install. I didn't even R&R mine, I just stabbed it in :confused:

cshontz

11-30-2008, 07:18 PM

That looks worse/older than the one I pulled out of my '78 ScoutII and stuck in my XJ after the SYE install. I didn't even R&R mine, I just stabbed it in :confused:

This picture was taken March 5th, 2006. :p

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/108264259_570bd9fe55_b.jpg

cshontz

12-28-2008, 06:14 PM

Unscheduled Mod

Last month of I was generating some Christmas gift ideas for my wife, and this was among them. I ended up getting it from my mom and was pleasantly surprised. This will provide a home for my laptop, with which I will perform navigational geekery while out on the trail. I can't wait.

I'm still looking at navigation apps for my MacBook Pro. I like what I've seen so far of RouteBuddy. I haven't tried MacGPS PRo, but I wouldn't mind something along the same lines as OziExplorer if anyone has any suggestions.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/3144761022_35edae8a91_b.jpg

Zeero

12-28-2008, 07:18 PM

We've used Microsoft "Streets and Trips" on our onboard laptops in connection with our Garmin GPS. Give it a shot.

Nice setup you have so far though!

jim65wagon

12-29-2008, 03:09 PM

kcowyo

12-29-2008, 04:51 PM

Nice Ram Mount system Chris.

I have found the Tough Tray to be a real SOB to work with. One of the clamps seems to always block the disc drive tray from opening, no matter where I position it. Makes changing a disc, or a DVD for Jr., a royal PITA. And placing and removing the laptop onto the tray seems to be a two person job, with the spring loaded base.

I like it and I'm sure you will too. It works wonderfully when it's all set up. I love the adjustable double swing arm, it provides a lot of options for use. One tip - get the screen support arm. If you intend to be moving with the screen up, the vibrations will wreak havoc on your hinges. The screen support arm helps tremendously.

Enjoy and a belated Merry Christmas to one of my favorite elfs.

:beer:
.

cshontz

01-09-2009, 04:50 PM

There. This should be much better. It got some general tlc, lube, two new u-joints and a new "ball kit". Now I just have to bolt it on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3182020033_6ba565443f_b.jpg

jim65wagon

01-09-2009, 09:34 PM

:clapsmile

cshontz

01-17-2009, 05:44 PM

I installed the laptop mount today. Its very cool. My only complaint is I'm not sure if its going to be steady enough for off-highway. I can't tell how much its going to shake as the Jeep pitches back and forth. In any case, I'm sure it won't need much additional support if it needs anything at all.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3093/3203546981_8a5ee4945d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/3204396118_0d1c094e14_b.jpg

jim65wagon

01-18-2009, 12:06 PM

I don't know Chris. It looks awfully flimsy:rolleyes:. Maybe you could try welding it to the floor and adding some braces to the arms. You should paint it to match the interior... Nice addition to the Glamper Jeep! :coffeedrink:

Backwoods Rambler

01-18-2009, 03:29 PM

Are there any laptop mounts that aren't so large & permanent? I was thinking of adding this to my rig some day, but not if I have to work with a contraption like that :Wow1:

cshontz

01-18-2009, 04:05 PM

Are there any laptop mounts that aren't so large & permanent? I was thinking of adding this to my rig some day, but not if I have to work with a contraption like that

Actually, the top portion slides out of the base tube above the RAM logo sticker, and can be tossed in the back fairly easily. I haven't had a passenger yet, but I don't think the remaining base tube would be too intrusive.

Backwoods Rambler

01-18-2009, 04:45 PM

Well, that makes it better, but the wife wasn't real happy with my CB mounted in the same location as yours, so I'm sure the PC stand base would be a definite no-no. She has gotten used to the CB now though :victory:

Cole

01-27-2009, 03:43 AM

:wavey: Hey Chris. Looks good!

Quinn

01-28-2009, 09:13 PM

There. This should be much better. It got some general tlc, lube, two new u-joints and a new "ball kit". Now I just have to bolt it on.

May I ask where you purchashed the centering assembly from?

cshontz

01-28-2009, 10:24 PM

May I ask where you purchashed the centering assembly from?

Absolutely, but first - whats a centering assembly?

02TahoeMD

02-01-2009, 06:37 PM

Hi Chris - nice laptop mount. If you find that you have too much vibration while in motion, there is a brace made by Jotto Desk that you could add to it to help secure it. My work truck laptop station has the bracing, it needed it since the screen was almost impossible to see while driving. Not to mention the rattling sounds it made which drove me nuts. Anyway, the brace goes from the main post of the computer mount and then screws to the side of the transmission tunnel up near the firewall, giving the mount that much needed support.

inked33

02-01-2009, 11:26 PM

i like the laptop mount. i have a jotto desk but i like the base on your better. if you plan on taking it off-road jotto desk makes a brace for the screen to hold it in place, it will help keep the hinges from getting ruined.

Quinn

02-04-2009, 04:53 AM

Absolutely, but first - whats a centering assembly?

Ha of course! I'm almost positive (although I could be wrong) that it's the name of the part which you referred to as the "ball kit"

cshontz

12-21-2009, 03:27 AM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4198169302_e056061192_b.jpg

Maximus Ram

12-21-2009, 03:25 PM

Nice picture, Chris.

mtnbike28

12-21-2009, 04:27 PM

Welcome back Chris, glad to see you again!

SWbySWesty

12-21-2009, 05:40 PM

Cool photo!

crosbike

12-21-2009, 11:32 PM

how do you like the RAM mount? Im looking to get one and would like to know how its holding up.

jim65wagon

12-22-2009, 09:22 AM

2 questions:

1) New tires?

2) Will that be your Christmas card this year?

cshontz

12-23-2009, 07:09 PM

how do you like the RAM mount? Im looking to get one and would like to know how its holding up.

I like it. I've used it on the trail once and it did what it does adequately. When the top post is removed, passenger room is still sufficient. It seems to be a durable, well-engineered product. I have no basis for comparison, but I'll still go ahead and recommend it.

2 questions:

1) New tires?

2) Will that be your Christmas card this year?

No, and no. Although that is a good idea. They're both good ideas. I'm starting to get desperate for new tires at this point.

Purple People Eater

12-23-2009, 08:38 PM

I I'm starting to get desperate for new tires at this point.

Chris, seems like you've been away for awhile. See this link. (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30232&highlight=tires+revisited)

cshontz

12-24-2009, 02:00 PM

Chris, seems like you've been away for awhile. See this link. (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30232&highlight=tires+revisited)

Wow. Your Cherokee looks great, Bobby. I'm inspired!

Thanks for the suggestion on the Goodyears. I really like all of the siping on such an aggressive pattern. My goal with tires is going to be to not lie to myself: my frequency of going off-pavement has been reduced to once a year. But there are two things: 1) I want to retain "off-highway viability" so that I'll always have the option, and 2) ...I plan to offer my services as an "adventure" photographer (just a little something on the side), which should hopefully put me on the trail more.

In light of this mindset, I wonder if the Goodyears are too aggressive, or perhaps they're just right.

Yeah, I haven't been here much. Money woes. Marriage woes. Lack-of-nearby-places-to-go woes. A hankering-for-a-sports-car woes. But at least I have no shortage of time. So I'm going to hold on to the Cherokee for a little bit longer, and see how it woes... I mean goes. I'm curious about what life might be like without car payments.

If I could throw a chunk of change at it right now, I'd get a gear job, have my driveline tweaked (something is wonky in the tcase), and of course the new tires. Oh, I'd also see about the unsightly rust on my winch hook. heheh

cshontz

12-24-2009, 09:13 PM

Did I ever post about how my A/C wasn't working? Well, it still isn't. I took it to the dealer this past summer, and they said there's a leak in the heater core, and it'll cost $900 to repair - mainly because they have to tear apart the dash, I guess. So, I still don't have A/C, which isn't a big deal since it's winter right now. But that's also pretty high on the list of things I want to fix.

Along those same lines, just recently (the past few months), settings 1, 2, and 3 on my blower do not work. 4 works, just fine fortunately. So if I want heat, or at least if I want the heat to blow out the vents, I have to put it on full blast. I looked into it today, and word on the Internet is that my blower resistor is bad. It controls the fan speed, except when it is set to 4, at which point the resistor is bypassed and the fan gets its juice directly from the battery. If it were a fuse, the blower wouldn't work at all - which it does.

What is the deal with my Jeep's HVAC?!?

I yanked the resistor and called Pep Boys. They have one for $42. I needed groceries though, so I'm going to put it off until after the holidays. I got food and other life-sustaining stuff instead. I'm going to fix it very soon though - because it's all apart and sitting on the desk in front of me.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/4211264861_de47eef4b4.jpg

xr8dxj

12-25-2009, 12:09 AM

My XJ has the same prob... Let me know if it works!

crosbike

12-25-2009, 04:09 PM

You dont have to buy a whole new resistor assembly. You can cut out the old resistor and solder in a new one for about 2 dollars with a resistor from radio shack.

check it out here
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/blower-motor-resistor-206575/

cshontz

12-26-2009, 06:42 PM

Alright, I picked up a new blower resistor today, and problem solved. I have restored blower settings 1, 2, and 3. It is incredible! It is like a whole new Jeep! ;)

Complete with before and after footage on YouTube.

Before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6q89NgSgMI

After:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkGS_ybuyww

xr8dxj

12-26-2009, 09:05 PM

Good deal! I'm having A/C probs not so much blower probs. But I imagine mine will go someday, so now I know. What type of video recorder are you using? I'm sorta in the market for a Flip Micro HD and a "grown up" recorder with image stabilization, HD, and the sort.

StanBo

02-15-2010, 08:34 PM

24 Pages down and I really enjoyed the information on this thread. I picked up a 98 XJ for street duties and want to keep it where my wife can still drive it without worrying about it.

I found this thread when searching for OME parts and enjoyed your information.

Have you considered an ACOS system to replace the coil spring spacers?

SWbySWesty

03-23-2010, 06:10 PM

Did you ever have your A/C looked at? Mine took a dump and it's starting to warm up here in Cali!

Nikson

03-24-2010, 12:25 AM

Very Nice!!!

I love how you got everything neat & tidy... and the silver is one of the better colors for the new XJ... :) :) :)

How you like that notebook mount? Do you see that the lid(monitor) part is in need of reinforcement of some sort, or do you find it just fine?

cshontz

03-29-2010, 05:09 PM

The Cherokee is in a sorry state at this point. This is due largely in part to significant life-changes, neglect, and simply not using the vehicle as God intended. I'm having trouble staying on top of it, and I just want to start enjoying the vehicle again. :(

Needs:
- Tires
- A/C Fixed ($900?!)
- Passenger Power Window Failed (both front door panels are currently off in an attempt to diagnose this)
- Tensioner Pulley (whining)
- Serpentine Belt
- Battery (left lights on while getting gas - needed jump after)
- Transfer Case Wonky (slips in 4-high)
- Rear Output Yoke has slop
- Pinion Seal
- Heat Soak Very Problematic (often yields misfire CEL)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4356807680_b33037d199.jpg

Otherwise, it's running great! :wings:

Did you ever have your A/C looked at? Mine took a dump and it's starting to warm up here in Cali!

It's not fixed, going on two years now. The dealer diagnosed it and found it was a leak in the heater core (is that right?) in the dash. It's a $900 repair, so I've been putting it off.

I love how you got everything neat & tidy... and the silver is one of the better colors for the new XJ... :) :) :)

How you like that notebook mount? Do you see that the lid(monitor) part is in need of reinforcement of some sort, or do you find it just fine?

Thanks Nikson. I do just fine without the display arm for infrequent use. Although some laptops have better hinges than others. For frequent/regular use, I think it'd be wise to purchase the arm.

jim65wagon

03-29-2010, 05:21 PM

If we were closer I would at least try to help you fix some of those things....

good to see you're still here!

Root Moose

03-29-2010, 05:45 PM

Is your heat soak issue leading to a P0303?

Have you applied the little insulators to the injectors per the TSB?

I had this problem and doing the TSB solved the issue.

Black Dog

03-29-2010, 06:40 PM

Needs:
- Passenger Power Window Failed (both front door panels are currently off in an attempt to diagnose this)

I had that same problem. What mine was doing was when I would roll the window up it would hang then almost like pop out of track and get crooked and not go up any more. What it was was the little thing that pulls the window up (looks like a big pipe cleaner) was not fully attached or something, so it would get to a point and come undone. Sometimes I'd hit a bump or a pot hole and the window would be closed then drop a couple inches. I had to replace the whole power window assembly, the track and motor and everything, because because it is all one piece.

Jay S.

03-30-2010, 12:43 AM

I've seen a fix for the windows here..www.steigerperformance.com give it a try!

cshontz

03-30-2010, 05:13 PM

Thanks, guys! I've already scrutinized over the window issue a good bit on Jeep Forum.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/01xj-passenger-power-window-fail-971693/

The regulator is fine, I believe. The passenger-side switch puts the window down, but not up. Up can be achieved by reversing polarity on the wiring. The driver's side passenger window switch does nothing. It does send juice to the regulator connector, but only "up" juice whether the driver's side switch is pressed up or down -- if that makes any sense.

My theory is a faulty DDM on the driver's side. Perhaps a short or dirty switch. My second theory is wire-fatigue in the driver's side harness at the hinge.

alosix

03-30-2010, 05:21 PM

Root Moose

03-30-2010, 05:37 PM

Spidey-sense is telling me there is a thread at NAXJA that relates to fixing the little board in the door on the driver's side. Something about the connectors or the PCB tracing lifting or cracking and being fixed with a soldering gun.

Sorry, that's all that is in the brain pan. :)

troy

03-30-2010, 05:43 PM

I had similar issues and ended up replacing the DDM. It didn't help. The cause was cracked wires in the driver's door hinge area. Mine does have high miles, but the wires were suprisingly cheap and I wouldn't doubt if they are failing from age and becoming brittle.

I have a driver's side regulator out of a 00' cherokee is anyone is needing it. PM me and I'll let it go cheap.

Thanks,
Troy

Root Moose

03-30-2010, 05:53 PM

Yep, wiring used in Jeeps suck. Don't get me started on the headlight switch.

Black Dog

03-30-2010, 07:03 PM

Yep, wiring used in Jeeps suck. Don't get me started on the headlight switch.

Whats wrong with the headlight switch? :sombrero:

The only electrical problems I've got is the gauges in the dash die on me but a good whack on the dash board fixes it usually, and my turn signals don't work most of the time (a relay problem I'm thinking). And once or twice my airbag light has come on, but I shut the engine off then back on and the light stayed off.