I-6 or V8?

[DaveInDenver]

Originally Posted by calamaridog

I believe WIX makes a fine filter as well (WIX invented the spin on oil filter BTW), specifically the WIX labeled ones, but finding them is not always easy.

NAPA filters are made by WIX (NAPA Gold is usually the exact equivalent to the WIX number for an application). I've also bought WIX brand filters at my NAPA and just about any auto and truck parts store worth their weight will have access to a WIX distributor.

[Redline]

That's a fact, and one of the advantage of. Basically available everywhere through Napa stores.

Originally Posted by DaveInDenver

NAPA filters are made by WIX (NAPA Gold is usually the exact equivalent to the WIX number for an application). I've also bought WIX brand filters at my NAPA and just about any auto and truck parts store worth their weight will have access to a WIX distributor.

[calamaridog]

Originally Posted by DaveInDenver

NAPA filters are made by WIX (NAPA Gold is usually the exact equivalent to the WIX number for an application). I've also bought WIX brand filters at my NAPA and just about any auto and truck parts store worth their weight will have access to a WIX distributor.

WIX builds tons of filters that are rebranded and OEM and they are not all the same as the WIX or Napa Gold. I wouldn't hesitate to use either of those. I have about 10 M1 - 209's sitting around that I bought on sale so I'm good to go. They work on the Liberty too.

[calamaridog]

Good link for 2UZFE oil change interval:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=21945

[pskhaat]

Originally Posted by Redline

It's worth quite a lot Scott, thanks for the encouraging info. Have you had the 80 since new? Do you know it’s prior care history?

Actually, I should have specified I was talking about the Hundy I picked the Hundy up at ~70k with no knoweldge of its past life, so the 3 analyses I've had on her have come up outstanding.

As for my 80 I have had it since she was 1yo, so for the most part know every last detail on her trail of life, do also run M1 and the 61010 filters. When her head was off by Robbie he did make a comment about its cleanliness and asked if I ran syn though I was out-of-town to have noticed it myself. I am lucky in that my 80 has always been the ``expedition rig'' and has only really sees highway en route to adventures and off-highway stuff. The similar mileage I have on her though I would guess is much higher % of off-highway than most.

On all my vehicles I change the M1 every October, regardless of mileage. I am such a believer in M1 that the used drained oil from the Cruisers is put into my commuter car for a second life, and it is ticking better than ever at ~200k.

[Redline]

VERY interesting that your V8 has only been in your position since 70k. That means that ‘normal’, ‘typical’ maintenance before your got it and started running Mobil 1 didn't hurt it one bit :-)

Originally Posted by pskhaat

Actually, I should have specified I was talking about the Hundy I picked the Hundy up at ~70k with no knoweldge of its past life, so the 3 analyses I've had on her have come up outstanding.

As for my 80 I have had it since she was 1yo, so for the most part know every last detail on her trail of life, do also run M1 and the 61010 filters. When her head was off by Robbie he did make a comment about its cleanliness and asked if I ran syn though I was out-of-town to have noticed it myself. I am lucky in that my 80 has always been the ``expedition rig'' and has only really sees highway en route to adventures and off-highway stuff. The similar mileage I have on her though I would guess is much higher % of off-highway than most.

On all my vehicles I change the M1 every October, regardless of mileage. I am such a believer in M1 that the used drained oil from the Cruisers is put into my commuter car for a second life, and it is ticking better than ever at ~200k.

[Redline]

calamaridog/pskhaat

Do you guys know the outer diameter of the M1 209 filter? After searches online and phone calls, I have found larger filter solutions from Donaldson (P550400) and Fleetguard (Cummins LF3339). These filers have very similar physical attributes, Overall Diameter, gasket inner/outer diameter, but longer, which is good.

These filters (size) don’t a direct match that’s synthetic media. The closest I have some is a Donaldson P169071 which has an outer diameter of 3.67-in, and is 5.32-in. long. Fleetguard’s LF3487 has an outer diameter of 3.78-in and is 5.4-inches long. (The Donaldson’s is very close to my Toyota filter, with an O.D. of 2.85-in and I.D. of 2.47)

The question is, will the gaskets on these larger diameter filters fit and seal properly on the mounting surface. Hence my question, the outer diameter and more importantly, the inner/outer diameter measurements of the M1 209 filer’s gasket.

[Redline]

calamaridog:

Thanks for the link to the ih8mud thread about the Mobil 1 oil analysis numbers, I just finally read it. Very impressive 12,000-miles and lots of idling!

After much searching for a commercial application, heavy-duty oil filter from Donaldson or Fleetguard with synthetic filtering media (or a blend) I came up empty. Lots of filters with regular cellulose media, but no synthetic media upgrades. Commercial application stuff is not always the best choice, but I gave it a hell of a try (web and technical support calls to Donaldson and Fleetguard).

Web searching and reading gave a few testimonials about the Mobil 1 M1-209 filter (in addition to the comments here) that convinced me to give the Mobil filter a try. I found them easily at my local Kragen/chain auto parts store for $9.99 each. I bought two. They also had the similar K&N, which I read is made by the same people for both Mobil and K&N, but the K&N was $11.99 and has the nut on the end for easy removal. I prefer the Mobil with normal end that also fits the end cap type filter wrench I already have. The only slightly negative thing I can say is that the ends of the filters are not sealed with plastic like the Toyota OEM and commercial filters I buy.

Now I'm looking forward to my next oil change and running more miles, probably 7,500-10,000. I have to decide if I'm going to send my oil to Blackstone, or to my local CAT lab that I have used in the past. I like all the written comments given in the examples in the ih8mud thread. In the past my local lab didn't write nearly as many words to help a layman interpret the analysis. Do you know if Blackstone accepts a new, baseline sample of the oil before you start testing with them? My Red Line 5w-30 is probably not a common oil?

James

Originally Posted by calamaridog

Do what you are comfortable with, but you can read up on oil analysis results on bobistheoilguy.com and you will find good numbers on the Mobil 1 oil and filter changes at 10k.

Also, I am not using the small filter. The larger M209 filter fits fine, provides more filtering media, and has the same specifications as the smaller one.

I'm going to send in a sample at the next change and I'll let you know.

[calamaridog]

James,

I was going to say measure and make sure that filter fits your 4runner before you drain the oil. I think it does from memory. It works great with the motor, but I can't say 100% it physically fits the 4runner application, whereas I know it fits the 100 series.

[hks3sgte]

Give the OEM Japanese filter a try. 90915-20004

http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/par...ter/index.html