xxxx + 2 on the stihl case. that's what I use but don't you guys know that threads like this are going to get us in trouble with the sierra club, earth first, green peace, rei, Patagonia, etc, etc. all the enviros. chain saws are evil. there is no place for chain saws in todays world. why do you need a chain saw when you have an iphone. highdesertranger