Yes I did mention the same thing before. And thank you this last statement seems to have answered, most items like this seem to fit my first criteria. Also pardon me for being nieve in this area, as you can see from my join date that is about how long I have been getting into "expedition" style camping. I have always been a tent in an established campground type before and It wasn't all that fun for me. So I am really moving toward more back country exploring, which goes hand in hand w/ me getting my first capable vehicle. I appreciate the advice and I won't waste any more time asking if something is worth the money.Originally Posted by HMR



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