Expert Opinions

[sacto_patrol]

In your expert opinions what is the best combination of vehicle and pop-up camper. That can handle trails rated to 3.5, carry two adults and a toddler in a car seat, and still be reasonable in size. I was thinking 4 door tacoma and a finch. What are your thoughts?

[kcowyo]

126 views and no replies....? I guess there are no experts here, so how about the opinion of a Monday morning quarterback?


I have test driven a few of the new Tacomas, but not off road at all. There are certainly enough members here who have, so I am going to say they would make a great truck for family adventure vehicle. Seems to be plenty of aftermarket support for the suspension, which will be the most important system to modify (I believe), for a truck & slide-in combo. The Finch model would be the perfect compliment to a new Tacoma.

I'm partial to my T100, primarily due to our history together and that it's fairly unique among this type of travelling. However they are all 10 years old at least and they're getting harder to find with low miles. The one drawback I can't overcome is the lack of 3rd & 4th doors. It's my only complaint and they would be a nice convenience, but not a necessity.

If a tree fell on my outfit tomorrow, and State Farm put a fat check in my hands to replace it, I would move up to a '04-'06 double cab Tundra and a FWC Hawk. The Hawk model is slightly wider than the model I have now but based on where I have been, it wouldn't limit me at all. A d-cab Tundra would also be longer than what I have, but the V8 and rear doors would be a welcome addition. I would add an ARB locker, some BFG KO's and feel comfortable that I could handle a large percentage of my favorite trails in WY, CO, UT, ID and MT.

Now if just my truck died tomorrow but my FWC were still operational, I would move up to a first gen x-cab Tundra. The access doors would allow me to place gear and kids in car seats in the back seat more easily. The FWC I have now will fit on an x-cab bed, but not the Tundra d-cab bed....

I think the ultimate off-road set up might be a Dodge Power Wagon and a FWC, although I heard/read somewhere that Dodge suggests not putting a slide-in camper on their Power Wagon....? A Cummins of any vintage with good tires and a FWC would make for a nearly bulletproof adventure vehicle.

[DaveInDenver]

If a tree fell on my outfit tomorrow, and State Farm put a fat check in my hands to replace it

That pretty much boils it down, that question.

For me, it would be a first generation Tacoma and a Flip Pac. Or at least thats exactly what mine is insured with State Farm as replacement. Yes, my WilderNest has a rider to full replacement cost of a new Flip Pac. I have my truck valued roughly what a 100K-ish mile old XtraCab Taco with an e-locker would cost on the used market. Probably skewing the premiums at State Farm for 205K mile, 1991 Toyota trucks, I am.

But the rub is while I would put my truck above average in capability and is fine for my wife and I and the dog, I'm not sure what your tolerance for space is. With a baby, I would say 4 doors or Acess Cab would be easier. So I dunno, current generation Taco + Flip Pac would be my thinking for your situation, but that's trending towards more capability overall.

I diverge from K.C.'s thinking because I feel the Tundra is just too big. But that's also a result my surroundings and environment. A Tundra would not fit into our lives, tiny 65-year old garage and street parking mean older Pickups, Tacomas and 4Runners are more appropriate for us. Plus we don't have kids... And I already feel too wide and long often enough on trails at 65" wide and 122" wheelbase and have seen plenty of full size F150s and the like getting squeezed.

[jim65wagon]

See, right now I'd have to go to a DCab Tundra just because the kids are getting bigger. The Access Cab is a good size, but the backseat is a little tight. The newer Tacoma is almost the same size as my Tundra!

[boblynch]

I'm no expert, but have spent a bunch of time researching truck / camper options. Trying to meet your 3.5 trail rating requirement is a tough one for most TC combos.

If the 3.5 is a must I'd go FWC Finch or Flip-Pac on a Double Cab Tacoma.

If you could live with 2.5-3.0 trail capabilities then I'd look at larger popup campers (FWC, Outfitter, or Northstar) with more amenities. A Dodge Power Wagon with this setup would be great (except for the price at the pump). If mpg is an issue I’d look for a short bed 05-07 Ram with the 5.9L Cummins and manual tranny.

[ScottBailey]

Before buying Toyota, I'd research an F350 extended cab (NOT the crew cab, the extended cab: still plenty of room).

Should be similar (if not the same as a Toyota Double Cab) wheelbase, probably a bit wider. The higher payload truck is--obviously--built to carry more weight. Loaded with a camper, you'll see this with lower maintenance costs (due to beefier components), better braking, and more predictable on and off-road behavior (you'll be MUCH farther under the max capacity).

I think lifting the Ford 6" is cheaper than the Toyota, especially considering the Toyota will likely need some suspension mod to *comfortably* carry even the lighter campers. That said, the Ford might set you back a little more initially. Still, I suspect the Ford's durability (payload related) will even out the field after 5 years of maintenance are applied.

I'm unsure of the wheelbase on the Dodge Quad Cab, it'd make a great alternative to the Ford. I give Dodge the nod for looks, especially when lifted.

Personally, I see no issue with a full-size on 3.5 trails (and I've seen plenty of full sized on trails rated 4). If a full sized is a non-starter, consider a Jeep w/ an off-road pop-up trailer: with experience and the right coupler, this could work for you on 4+ trails.

So, vehicle opinion out of the way, camper opinion: call Ben at All Terrain Campers (ATC) and ask him to build you a custom width Panther (width of your bed rails). Really, it's your only--unless FWC will do the custom work--hard-core option.

My inexpert opinion.
SB

[ScottBailey]

Sports Mobile

Yeah, I think--money no object--Sportsmobile wins. Too bad the cost of a low mileage unit is astronomical.

Here it is: Sportsmobile RB50.

SB

[Chris]

I really do not like the word expert, that has a bit to do with the fact that my title at work is Subject Matter Expert and I know better.

Anyhow! would not have thought it prior to buying it but in my non-expert opinion..........I just have to say SPORTSMOBILE is one way to go and I would reccommend it to any one with your needs.The utility of a SMB is great.

[Chris]

Kermit, I agree, gives a whole new meaning to fast food for lunch. Usually on the road at about 60 65 mph.

PS there is no better time to buy one, last I looked the Sportsmobile web site had a red one still for sale at a great price.

Considering the previous owner care and the equipement it has, Seems to be for sale at a deep discount form the original price. chck it out on the fresno used link. No comission and not affiliated.

[SunMan]

Another case for a FWC is that you have the option to remove it (quite easily) and go from 12-13 MPG back to 15-17 MPG (Tundra numbers) when not needed. Though I rarely remove mine, it is nice to have the option when you need to use the truck as a truck.