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Thread: Your experience can help me decide...

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    I'll offer what I've learned. Last fall I was in a similar boat and feel like my purchase decision was a poor one. Basically, I wanted a 4x4 camper van I could spend a lot of time traveling to remote places in, both winter and summer.

    What I Did: I purchased an older 4x4 van. The van, now named Polar Bear, was nearly empty aside from some trim and two bench seats. It had a lot of mechanical issues, considerably more than I understood it to have when I purchased it. I picked the van up for $3250 and have probably invested thousands of dollars in repairs. My grand total is probably floating around $17k now and I have not started the interior build. You can read about my build here:

    http://sportsmobileforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4143

    Note that the tab I've accumulated includes new paint and wheels which comes to nearly $3k alone. Additionally, I had to have extensive work done to the drive train which killed another $4k or so. Then there were odds and ends including the a/c, new radiator, windshield (was incorrectly installed) and more.

    The lesson: Once I was invested to a certain point, I couldn't get my money back out of the van by selling it... so I was sorta locked into the path. I thought I could save money with this route, but I bought a money pit.

    What I should have done... If I had it all to do over, I would buy a completed Sportsmobile 2wd and have it converted to 4x4. This seemed too pricey at first, at around $12,000 for the conversion from a local shop. In retrospect, I could have picked up a fairly decent rig for around $8k and converted it for a total of about $20k.

    The upside to this approach is the fact that you end up with half your drive train being brand new and under warranty. Additionally, my dated 4x4 conversion will never perform remotely close to the newer conversions. Mine is also full of custom fabricated components that will be considerably more expensive to repair. Quad van, in particular, uses a lot of stock parts - making future repairs a lot less painful.

    Building the "camper" part: Doing the camper build out is extremely time consuming. I've done a few things such as building door panels, replacing the stereo system, installing a rotating seat, etc. I've done a lot of research on electrical systems, fresh water systems, propane systems, waste storage, etc. New parts get expensive fast. I think finding a completed camper conversion would be a huge time and money saver.

    That is, of course, unless you really want to do the build yourself. In this case, especially if you have the time, you can have it however you want it. I'm hoping to take full advantage of this and do a relatively unique design inside. I'm really looking forward to this part of the project. If the idea excites you, then I'm betting it will be worth the time and money.

    I come from a background of do-it-yourselfers. My family built our home from the ground up in 1990. We started with a wooded patch of 17 acres and build everything but the cabinets ourselves. It took us 7 months of hard work to get "in the dry". Every time I visit the house (which my parents sold just weeks ago) I remember what went into it. It's kind of a nice feeling.

    I know I'm a bit all over the place, hopefully something in there will be helpful.

  2. #12
    I was in the same boat a few month back. I knew I needed a van to fit my jetskis and dirt bikes, but was not 100% convinced I needed 4x4. Ended up just ordering a new 4x4 extended cargo..... and after a few trips driving over deep sand beaches, I am really glad I did for my jetski riding alone. But I agree with the other posters, the vans suspension does not handle rough offroad jeep trails very good... without feeling like your teeth are being knocked out. If you have a specific reason you NEED 4x4, ie deep snow, beach driving, ect then go for it.
    Last edited by shawn_nj; 06-07-2010 at 05:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMyerz View Post
    2006 Chevy Express AWD with 65k for $10k.
    Great deal, and maybe a quite good solution for the OP... the AWD Express is only available as a 1/2 ton, and no low range. I have seen t-case swaps to add that if desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draghkar View Post
    Blackheart: I totally agree, but you got some brass ones saying so here I think I needed someone to just say it.

    Ujoint: excellent advice! My head has been spinning looking at what's available and what I want to spend.

    Trailsurfer: I have no doubt, i would go into panic attacks thinking about the cost of your smb on anything but the easiest trail!
    That's what insurance is for.
    Desert Solitaire


    2004 SMB 4x4 EB-50
    2001 Nissan Xterra

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutsideFamily View Post
    Great deal, and maybe a quite good solution for the OP... the AWD Express is only available as a 1/2 ton, and no low range. I have seen t-case swaps to add that if desired.
    OF, I've been trying to find more info on this, off the bat it looks like a part time transfer case from an avalanche will bolt right up without modification... if you could point me in the direction of these swaps I'd appreciate it.

    J

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    Sounds like a awd chevy would be right up you alley for your uses the prices are right for these vans bang for the buck is great. If you want a van or RV you can take on trails don't let people fool you, most SMB's do not get used to their potential. However any decent newer 4wd conversion can be used and will usually out perform the driver. I have taken my extended 15 pass bone stock quigley up Kane Creek and Poison Spider Mesa in Moab (both rather difficult rated trails for a stock rig) it was just my girlfriend and I with no other vehicles, not a lick of problems or any body damage. Only casuality was a gouge in the plastic ford hubcap. When we go to Moab we usually take trails across the state to get there and take trails across the state to get back home. Not something you can do when you tow your toys to go play. So in my opinion 4wd in a van is not a waste because it allows us a rig to tow camp wheel and haul bikes in. If you have a hankering for exploring 4wd van is the way to go.
    Derek

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