kcowyo
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24HOURSOFNEVADA said:I just need the guy to pull the plug on my Unlimited.
Trigger. I think you mean trigger. I hope you mean trigger.
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"Oh! Tentacles. N - T." -John Cusack, "Better Off Dead"
24HOURSOFNEVADA said:I just need the guy to pull the plug on my Unlimited.
kcowyo said:Trigger. I think you mean trigger. I hope you mean trigger.
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"Oh! Tentacles. N - T." -John Cusack, "Better Off Dead"
24HOURSOFNEVADA said:Thanks Jack
I think I have narrowed it down to a 100 series..."Think" being the key word.
24HOURSOFNEVADA said:Thanks Jack
I think I have narrowed it down to a 100 series..."Think" being the key word.
Brian894x4 said:Both the 80 and 100 are excellent vehicles. But the 80 was specifically designed for hardcore use in overseas markets, where they would likely never see paved roads, or maintenance and would require extreme duty for most of it’s life.
For the U.S. spec market, Toyota slapped on some leather and generally imported the same thing they sold overseas, which means we got all the same heavy duty gear. Including on many models, lockers, full floating axles, the same heavy duty engine, tranny, duel fan belts, metal air cleaner, catch cans, raised diff breathers, etc, etc.
When the 100 came out, it was definitely toned down at least somewhat, including for the overseas markets, but Toyota recognized that there was still a need for vehicle that was heavier duty than the new 100, which is why they slapped 100 bodies on 80 series chassis and continued to sell them for years and I think still do. They even continued production of the 80 series 1FZ through today, where extreme engine durability really counted.
If the 100 series was superior in all aspects, the entire 80 series would have died in 1997, but it didn’t. Only the body died (at least in most countries). The rest still carries on today in the markets that need the ultimate vehicle.
Toyota even went a step further and deleting the full floating rear axle and included a weak front diff for early models and then deleting the rear locker after only a few years. Why they did this, I don't understand.
What I do like about the 100s that I’ve driven is that they definitely have more power, much better brakes and I think handle better on road. But to me, solid axles have a distinct advantage off road, and more than just extreme trails. I’ve have passengers ask me when we’re going to go over an obstacle and I have to tell them to look behind them…we already did. They were expecting to be jerked side to side like they would have been in any IFS vehicle. Solid axles making driving over even the most modest obsticles much safer and easier, in my IFS and SA experience.
That all said, I think both rigs are excellent. The 100 is definitely more luxurious and probably more comfortable, but for the ultimate durability, it’s hard to argue against the 80.
For most mere mortals, like me, the real clincher is economics. Even older 100s are spendy, especially by the time you get done with modifications. You can buy and completely build an 80 for about the same or less than a good used 100.
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ShottsCruisers said:This all sounds good and a lot makes good sense. Time however has proven the 100 more reliable than the 80. According to many Toyota experts the 100 is more easily diagnosed/repaired in the boonies.
Dirty Harry said:Which Toyota experts are you referring to John? What metric are you using for "reliability"?