Thread: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?

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    Relating to this topic historic thoughts of former first lady Eleanor Roosevelt on last documented use of force of arms by citizens formed as militia which was in 1946 in Athens Tenn.

    SOURCE: The Daily Post-Athenian, Athens, Tenn., August 7, 1946; pages 1, 6.
    Mrs. Roosevelt Grasps Local Facts Better Than Most
    Editor's Note — Our attention has been called to Mrs. Roosevelt's column upon McMinn. She seems to have grasped the facts and significance better than any other outside writer:
    McMinn A Warning — By Eleanor Roosevelt
    New York, Monday — After any war, the use of force throughout the world is almost taken for granted. Men involved in the war have been trained to use force, and they have discovered that, when you want something, you can take it. The return to peacetime methods governed by law and persuasion is usually difficult.
    We in the U.S.A., who have long boasted that, in our political life, freedom in the use of the secret ballot made it possible for us to register the will of the people without the use of force, have had a rude awakening as we read of conditions in McMinn County, Tennessee, which brought about the use of force in the recent primary. If a political machine does not allow the people free expression, then freedom-loving people lose their faith in the machinery under which their government functions.
    In this particular case, a group of young veterans organized to oust the local machine and elect their own slate in the primary. We may deplore the use of force but we must also recognize the lesson which this incident points for us all. When the majority of the people know what they want, they will obtain it.
    Any local, state or national government, or any political machine, in order to live, must give the people assurance that they can express their will freely and that their votes will be counted. The most powerful machine cannot exist without the support of the people. Political bosses and political machinery can be good, but the minute they cease to express the will of the people, their days are numbered.
    This is a lesson which wise political leaders learn young, and you can be pretty sure that, when a boss stays in power, he gives the majority of the people what they think they want. If he is bad and indulges in practices which are dishonest, or if he acts for his own interests alone, the people are unwilling to condone these practices.
    When the people decide that conditions in their town, county, state or country must change, they will change them. If the leadership has been wise, they will be able to do it peacefully through a secret ballot which is honestly counted, but if the leader has become inflated and too sure of his own importance, he may bring about the kind of action which was taken in Tennessee.
    If we want to continue to be a mature people who, at home and abroad, settle our difficulties peacefully and not through the use of force, then we will take to heart this lesson and we will jealously guard our rights. What goes on before an election, the threats or persuasion by political leaders, may be bad but it cannot prevent the people from really registering their will if they wish to.
    The decisive action which has just occurred in our midst is a warning, and one which we cannot afford to overlook.
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    I'm guessing the cats got a hold on everyone (s) tongue relating to my last post herein!
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    So in Athens they overthrew the local gov? It said the majority of the people knew what they wanted. If it was a majority could they not just vote them out at next election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott C View Post
    So in Athens they overthrew the local gov? It said the majority of the people knew what they wanted. If it was a majority could they not just vote them out at next election?
    NOPE the citizens could not vote them out because of use of force or the threat thereof was the reality forced upon them by the Sheriff his deputies and a county official the people had realized they could not longer get a fair election so they armed themselves as militia and used force of arms to oust the tyrants then the next day held an open and fair election.

    The citizens never pressed to charge any involved in the tainting of the election process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott C View Post
    So in Athens they overthrew the local gov? It said the majority of the people knew what they wanted. If it was a majority could they not just vote them out at next election?
    Cronyism and nepotism ruled that locality; they stuffed the ballot boxes to skew the election. There was no chance of a fair election since they ran the process. Despite an investigation afterwards, the state chose not to prosecute anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FellowTraveler View Post
    NOPE the citizens could not vote them out because of use of force or the threat thereof was the reality forced upon them by the Sheriff his deputies and a county official the people had realized they could not longer get a fair election so they armed themselves as militia and used force of arms to oust the tyrants then the next day held an open and fair election.
    Actually, the current officials took the ballot boxes to the county jail with plans to count them in secret. All the vets did was dynamite the jail house doors and take the boxes back. There was no second election, they won by a landslide in the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AYIAPhoto View Post
    Actually, the current officials took the ballot boxes to the county jail with plans to count them in secret. All the vets did was dynamite the jail house doors and take the boxes back. There was no second election, they won by a landslide in the original.
    Yes, I stand corrected there was no other election it was a later confirmation of the original ballet, however, there was much gun play w/1000's of rounds exchanged before any IED was deployed.

    "My error did/does not negate the fact that in Athens Tenn 1946 was the last time Americans armed as militia stood against tyrants in this nation"!

    Now my turn! Perhaps, a little research will expose your error in the statement that; "All the veterans did was dynamite the jail house doors and take the boxes back". A good start would be @ constitution.org or other source may open your mind a bit.
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    I don't get it. Since this thread started, the price of Alcoa stock has decreased. I would have thought the opposite would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmacafee View Post
    I don't get it. Since this thread started, the price of Alcoa stock has decreased. I would have thought the opposite would have happened.
    Then invest in copper, lead & brass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FellowTraveler View Post
    Yes, I stand corrected there was no other election it was a later confirmation of the original ballet, however, there was much gun play w/1000's of rounds exchanged before any IED was deployed...a little research will expose your error in the statement that; "All the veterans did was dynamite the jail house doors and take the boxes back". A good start would be @ constitution.org or other source may open your mind a bit.
    I was referring to dynamiting the door with concern to the second election. I'm fully aware that rounds were fired, though the majority of it was shooting out windows of the jail house to scare the sheriff/others and return fire hitting the cars of the "militia".

    I don't know your point of mentioning "Athens Tenn 1946 was the last time Americans armed as militia stood against tyrants in this nation", as I haven't gone back far enough in the thread. Are you suggesting that it will never happen again, or that it was not really that long ago and those who doubt the possibility of people getting fed up enough are ignoring history?

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