Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?

[FellowTraveler]

No, you are wrong. Private citizens can possess automatic weapons. All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain approval from the BATF, obtain a signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who is the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive BATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax.

You need to re-read my post!

[FellowTraveler]

I think some of these topics are here just to stir sh*t up. Too many opinions to work!

Nope, this topic is not intended to incite or stir up poop, the private American citizens need to know the facts not some opinion.

[Fireman78]

I have a dozen or so guns. They are mine and nobody will take them.

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[RKBA]

What about semi to full auto conversions? Are those pre 86 as well? Just curious

Sadly yes. Converting an existing firearm is considered "Manufacturing a Machin Gun" and is prohibited for private individuals.

Back in the day (Pre 5/86), a person could fill out a Form 1 (application to make and register a firearm), and jump through all the hoops and staple a $200 check to the paperwork and in a few months the form would be returned with the Tax Stamp affixed. Once that happened, you could legally convert the weapon to full auto. :-)

Now the Form 1 can only be used by private individuals for Short Barreled Rifles (SBR), Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS), Any other Weapon (AOW) etc. I even have a friend who has a Form 1 (Destructive Device) 60mm fully functional Morter!

[RKBA]

I was an 03 FFL dealer for a long time, and found that the corporate or trust avenue is the only way to get around anti-gun LEO types who refuse to sign NFA paperwork for law abiding private American citizens.

To be technical a 03 FFL is a "Collector" license, not a "Dealer" license. There are guys out there who have gotten into trouble selling too many weapons obtained with their C&R license.

I am not against the trust route but we usually advise our customers to transfer/build their NFA items in their own name whenever possible. I don't want this to turn into a discussion of the intricacies of ATF application procedures but remember this.... The Second Ammendment guarantees the right of PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, not corporations. A simple stroke of the pen could nullify all these corporate/trust transfers in a blink of the eye and you would have no constitutional recourse.

Just saying............

[TangoBlue]

Actually he is right. He was referring to machine guns manufactured AFTER May 1986.

Any full auto weapon a private citizen can own today had to be on the registration BEFORE that date. Hence the price of such guns. Simple supply and demand. High demand same supply.

I'm not arguing that point. He said private citizens cannot own automatic weapons and the only way to do it is through a trust or as a corporation. That's not totally true according to BATF regulations. Now tell me I'm wrong again...

[TangoBlue]

You need to re-read my post!

Only if you promise to re-read mine. Tell me how my original statement and the one you just cited is wrong. I mentioned nothing about pre-1986 weapons.

[RKBA]

He said private citizens cannot own automatic weapons and the only way to do it is through a trust or as a corporation

Um......I believe he said the "OTHER" way is trough a trust.........Wait, let me go back and look................ YEP! He said "Other" not "Only".

I love the internet :-)

[TangoBlue]

Um......I believe he said the "OTHER" way is trough a trust.........Wait, let me go back and look................ YEP! He said "Other" not "Only".

I love the internet :-)

Ooo - sarcasm - I bet you're a sierra-hot lawyer AND a Type 07 FFL with SOT Status! It stings - it stings!

By gosh - you're right; and I never stated that he didn't say "other;" that wasn't my point. His inference that it was impossible for a private citizen to own automatic weapons unless they did a trust or formed a corporation - must be my imagination or my lexical-based reading skills... never did I mention the May 1986 ban. Now, please tell me I'm wrong again, barrister, that private citizens cannot own automatic weapons.

I enjoy the internet too, except right about now...

[RKBA]

His inference that it was impossible for a private citizen to own automatic weapons unless they did a trust or formed a corporation

You can "Infer" anything you want but this is a discussion forum. It consists of words.......period. It is impossible to Infer anything. All we can do is actually read what is written.

I have no interest whatsoever in continually typing UP and some joker saying he "heard" DOWN. Good night everyone....I won't be back.