WARN winch - 8274 or 9.5cti?

[Nonimouse]

No it's not!

Drive assisting is the very last thing you do and only as a last resort - that's why a slower, lower geared winch is better (unless of course it's for comeptition where you break all the rules)

Also 'expensive' winches are not the always the fast ones - far from it.

[Antichrist]

The rule used to be, "No drive assist except as a last resort". For some reason, in the last decade or so, it's become almost just the opposite. Even to the point where some winch manufacturers say to do it in the owners manual.
I find it very annoying to have people standing around screaming "PUT IT IN GEAR!!" when I'm winching.
I guess patience is a dying virtue.

[Nonimouse]

Tom, it's still the rule! To promote drive assist is to enhance breakages and to invite accident.

I strongly believe that the trend in drive assist (that has been exaserbated (sp?) by one or two very foolish advertising departments) comes purely from the high profile on international winch competitions which creates a 'let's emulate our hero's, then we will be like them' culture

Within the City & Guilds competance structure (a standard level recognised by most of the world) it is an instant failure to drive assist due to it's inherant safety issues

[1911]

I was offered a winch which I'm going to put on my '74 FJ40.
Its a 1 day offer, so I'd need to make my mind by tonight.

Question for all of you guys with winches and/or knowledge experience: Which one to take?

Responded to your same thread on IH8MUD.

[bfdiesel]

Tom, it's still the rule! To promote drive assist is to enhance breakages and to invite accident.

I strongly believe that the trend in drive assist (that has been exaserbated (sp?) by one or two very foolish advertising departments) comes purely from the high profile on international winch competitions which creates a 'let's emulate our hero's, then we will be like them' culture

Within the City & Guilds competance structure (a standard level recognised by most of the world) it is an instant failure to drive assist due to it's inherant safety issues

Not that it is right, but drive assisting is how I was taught growing up. Taught to use the winch to get you moving and then drive out, this lesson of course followed the don't get stuck, but it happens lesson.

I like the 8274, and the first time you pick it up you will know why people say they are under rated they are heavy and have a lot of steel in them making them hard to break even when overloaded.
I have a had both a 8274, which I liked the looks of and the heavy solid feel, and a xd9000i which is much lighter, pulls a little harder, and has been very reliable. I had to change the solenoids out in the 8274 a couple of times is why I (my opinion) feel more comfortable with my xd9000i. I also like having my winch mounted in a cradle so it can be more versatile making weight more of a concern.

[WILLD420]

Since the decision had to be made a week or so ago, this is for posterity's sake I guess.

I have both winches. Both are good, both do the job most of the time, with the 8274 being more reliable when abused and built more like an industrial winch. The 8274 has the cable held in much more securely, as the brake is not in the way to run the cable inside the drum and clamp it in tight. The other style winch cannot be done like this, as there are shafts, brakes and unsealed gears prohibiting this.

The 8274 is taller and takes up more space. The only reason I wouldn't choose the 8274 is if I could not make it work, or I needed more than a 10K lb winch.

I'm siding with the drive it while you winch crowd. Dragging axles and stuck tires is a lot harder, than dragging spinning tires that are helping you out. For that reason alone, the 8274 wins over 80% of the winches on the market. My 8274 can un-spool as fast as most men can walk on the ground we winch in. The other winch is fairly fast as well, but not quite there. As an example, on the last run, there was a smittybuilt winch on the rig working with me. We wound up winding his synth line on the bumper because we got tired of waiting for his winch to wind the line in and out every 3 minutes. My 8274 did not have this issue.

As for pulling power, this is my gut feeling. Take it for what it's worth.

My rig is a Ramcharger on 35's with a 3" lift. It probably weighs around 6000 lbs loaded up, maybe more. With the 8274, I can be buried in snow with both bumpers sitting on the top of the frozen crap we get here. My other winch would only move me if I was on the last wrap or so of the winch. The 8274 will move me on the outer wrap from the same stuck.

While the 8274 is an 8K lb winch and my other winch is a 9500 pounder, the 8274 feels like it pulls a LOT harder.

Either one is going to suck a lot of amps at full load. The deeper the gears in the winch, the fewer amps it pulls for a given load, with the same diameter spool and wire wrap, so I don't worry about the amp draw. The only thing I worry about is burning up the solenoids from too much duty cycle.

If I had to choose between my 9500 Warn and an old school Harbor Freight 10K winch, I'd pick the HF winch and hotrod it with some better solenoids and some good grease and silicone.

[AlexJet]

Bad news for me.
I got $&@... Good news it didn't cost me $1500.
I just got a call back from the guy. He said that his wife kind put a veto on this sale. She don't want him to sell his 8274 to me and keep the money for his Jeep, and he doesn't want to give them to her.
End of story... I don't have my 8274.
So, I might pick that 9.5cti my friend has on sale in his shop. It's still a good winch too for the 40-series, plus Warn gives $100 rebate on new winches this month.

My question would be if I can fit 125' of 3/8" rope I have into 9.5cti? Websites list that I can fit 100' as originally winch has 125' of 5/16" steel cable.
Did someone tried this before? Do you know if it would work?

[Warn Industries]

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My question would be if I can fit 125' of 3/8" rope I have into 9.5cti? Websites list that I can fit 100' as originally winch has 125' of 5/16" steel cable.
Did someone tried this before? Do you know if it would work?

I'm told 125' of 3/8" cable won't fit on the 9.5ti drum.

- Andy

[Nonimouse]

You were told right

[Gator]

I have a 150' of 3/8" rope on my 9.5ti. You just have to make sure it winds evenly.
Lator....