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    Question Diesel Suburban Help

    Hi Gang!

    We are considering moving up from the XJ to a 4x4 Diesel Suburban. Initially I was going to put a MB OM 617 in the Jeep but we could sure use more room so a 4x4 'burban would be a natural. I could use some help in determining which model and year would be the best candidate. From the small amount of research I've done, it seems that a 1993 or earlier would be the way to go as I'm looking for mechanical injection. So I guess a late 8th gen. or early 9th would be what to look for.

    Can anyone offer up insight as to best of breed and any other tips that would help?

    Many Thanks...
    Rich G

    1999 XJ Sport, AX15/Hurst, Headers 2.5" Exhaust, K&N Cone, Rusty's Adj. Track Bar, Lower control Arms, 3" Springs, Spacers & Shackles 4" Lift. OME Shocks, Quicker Disco's, 31X10.50 MT MTZ's, Cragers, Warrior Bumpers & Other Stuff

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    If you want a mechanically injected 6.5 turbo diesel, you need a 92 or 93 model. The catch (isn't there always one) - no such beast was available in the Suburbans of those years. You can get a 6.2 and convert it over to a 6.5, I imagine.

    Or you can find the 6.5 and then put it in whatever you want. That's what I did, with a 92 6.5 transplanted into a 1991 Burb.

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    Are you looking for turbo or NA? The NA can be a bit of a dog, but offroad in 4lo it is a tractor. Steel soldiers has alot about the ol 6.2 and 6.5. Diesel place also has some good info.
    1993 F350 Crew Cab Long Bed 7.3 IDI 5 speed 4x4. Currently stock except for the 255/85R16's.
    1983 GMC 6.2L Suburban with sm465/np205 undergoing construtive surgery to include 1 ton axles, crossover steering, 52" front springs, and rear shackle flip. Has 285/70r17 STT's on H2 rims.
    Both running biodiesel.
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    Thanks Guys! Turbo would be nice but it must be mechanically injected...
    Rich G

    1999 XJ Sport, AX15/Hurst, Headers 2.5" Exhaust, K&N Cone, Rusty's Adj. Track Bar, Lower control Arms, 3" Springs, Spacers & Shackles 4" Lift. OME Shocks, Quicker Disco's, 31X10.50 MT MTZ's, Cragers, Warrior Bumpers & Other Stuff

    Nothing matters but everything counts. . .

    "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." Thucydides circa 460 bc - c. 400 bc

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    You can use a DB2-4911 injection pump to mechanically inject any electronic 6.5, the big issue however, is controlling the transmission(all gmt400 'burbs were auto). The rest of it is fairly simple. Better yet find a donor truck with the diesel and an nv4500 and put it into whatever suburban you like.
    '98 K2500/ 8-lug/ 6.5TD/ NV4500/ 3.73 G80 rear/ Longbed ext cab/ Midrise camperi top/ Goodyear Duratracs on GM Alloys/ Pmd in bumper/Upgraded oil cooler lines/turbomaster/bilstein HD's/warn classic w/ engo12k synth rope, etc... 200k+ miles and still kicking

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    Thanks for the good info! Realy don't waant to get in to a swap - we don't have a fixed base and that makes bigger/longer projects problematic. Am I to understand that there are no manual gearbox diesel suburbans? I was hoping for a five speed...
    Rich G

    1999 XJ Sport, AX15/Hurst, Headers 2.5" Exhaust, K&N Cone, Rusty's Adj. Track Bar, Lower control Arms, 3" Springs, Spacers & Shackles 4" Lift. OME Shocks, Quicker Disco's, 31X10.50 MT MTZ's, Cragers, Warrior Bumpers & Other Stuff

    Nothing matters but everything counts. . .

    "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." Thucydides circa 460 bc - c. 400 bc

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    Quote Originally Posted by saburai View Post
    Thanks for the good info! Realy don't waant to get in to a swap - we don't have a fixed base and that makes bigger/longer projects problematic. Am I to understand that there are no manual gearbox diesel suburbans? I was hoping for a five speed...
    Go with the Benz motor, and a small trailer. Suggest nice big oil bypass filtration or centrifugal oil filtration for extended oil change intervals, oil cooler too. Increase intake and exhaust diameter for better VE. Compound turbo charging or larger turbo @ "low boost" will be a nice addition. EGT, boost, IAT gauges are great to monitor diesel. Large p/s cooler wont hurt.
    1999 GMC K2500 BURBAN, NAVISTAR enhanced 6.5 td aftercooled, dual alt's, PSC p/s pump w/HD cooler, redundant FSD's, HEATH program, turbine/downpipe wrapped, 4" SS exhaust, real time OBD2 data logging w/device controller, EVANS waterless coolant @ zero (0) psi & 135 gpm pump, 4L80e w/kevlar and premium steel w/cryo treated input/output shafts running @ 100 deg. F & 140 deg F towing, all synthetic fluids, AMSOIL bypass system, MileMarker hydro, dual fuel tanks, and on and on, questions PM me.

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    Tempting, but as muh as I love the size and trail manners of the XJ a trailer will not work for us and I do not have a shop or the time to get in to a swap...

    Quote Originally Posted by FellowTraveler View Post
    Go with the Benz motor, and a small trailer. Suggest nice big oil bypass filtration or centrifugal oil filtration for extended oil change intervals, oil cooler too. Increase intake and exhaust diameter for better VE. Compound turbo charging or larger turbo @ "low boost" will be a nice addition. EGT, boost, IAT gauges are great to monitor diesel. Large p/s cooler wont hurt.
    Rich G

    1999 XJ Sport, AX15/Hurst, Headers 2.5" Exhaust, K&N Cone, Rusty's Adj. Track Bar, Lower control Arms, 3" Springs, Spacers & Shackles 4" Lift. OME Shocks, Quicker Disco's, 31X10.50 MT MTZ's, Cragers, Warrior Bumpers & Other Stuff

    Nothing matters but everything counts. . .

    "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." Thucydides circa 460 bc - c. 400 bc

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    U can change electronic controled Turbo
    to manual very easy. Just get DB2 pump.and waist gate and u are set.

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    I guess it all depends on whether or not you want a solid axle or independent front suspension. Either way I'd recommend finding a 3/4 ton. Better transmissions and beefier brakes/axles in such a big rig are a no brainer in my mind. Also if you are wanting the mechanical injection for reliability I would probably go 90 or older for a transmission that isn't electronic as well. Assuming the 3/4 tons come with the TH400...

    I like 6.2's don't get me wrong but if you haven't driven a 6.2 Suburban I'd highly recommend doing so. The only vehicle I can think of with less power is a 6.2 motorhome LOL

    Andrew
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