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Thread: Ford F554, the replacement for the H1 is here.

  1. #91
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    Don't get me wrong... I agree it needs more than a Dana 60. I just didn't grasp the magnatude of this truck. When a D60 is refered to as weak, its a shocking reality check. I can't imagine taking a truck that big offroad. To put things in perspective, my setup fully loaded with me, my wife, and two dogs weigh in around 5200 lbs.
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    I'll bet the gear reduction hubs take a LOT of stress off of the axle shafts, ring/pinion and u-joints... That said the ball joint and wheel bearing strength would concern me. The wheel offset with the weight of the diesel, large tires and a big bumper/winch etc really add up compared to a factory issued pickup. Are they a weak point? I guess it depends on how hard you hammer on the thing--I'd LOVE to find out! Given the already impressive list of options I'm surprised they didn't opt for a D70 from a medium duty truck.

    Cool truck looks like a real workhorse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rot Box View Post
    Given the already impressive list of options I'm surprised they didn't opt for a D70 from a medium duty truck.
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    It has a Dana 80 in the front. I think that is stronger than a Dana 70? Especially with the all-important planetary hubs.

    Charlie
    Unimog U500 with Unicat camper; diesel BMW X5 35d, diesel BJ40 Landcruiser and diesel M37

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    I had a '99 to '02 Ford diesel and it was one of the best vehicles I've ever owned and that completely converted my opinions of Ford. Also note that I usually prefer 4 and 6 cyl including Cummins, over 8 cylinder though that Ford does look good. My only criticism with the late model fords are mostly related to all of the annoying chimes and whistles for example if you have a short in your trailer wiring that affects almost nothing, it is relentless.

    Good looking vehicle for sure. That price tag is a little surprising but there is no doubt that it would shine. My advice though would be to only utilize the vehicle for something that warranted that payload such as a camper. Otherwise I would gladly prefer a 250 or 350 with similar wheels and even at significant weight it would still be an advantage.

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    Wonder what if any impact there is to the MPG on this rig. I have heard the new 6.7 engine is getting Earthroamers in the 12.3 MPG range. They are pretty much loaded to within a couple thousand of gross.

    I always thought the Earthroamer could use CTIS as well, maybe this is an option, would still want the air suspension as well for convenience in glamping though.

    Interesting....Dont have the money for either, but nice to put in the dream box.

    Brian

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    *edit* sorry larry already covered what i was going to say if i would have kept reading

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    I am the axle engineer for the project, so these are excellent questions and need to be addressed.

    The weakest part of the front axle is the inner 35 spline shaft, its only 1.5" 1510 heat treated steel, from Ford. The outer stub shaft is 1 7/8" chrome moly double induction hardened shafts. I know for maintenance purposes the outer shaft should be smaller and weaker. For 2 reasons we made it bigger, first if the outer shaft breaks it may damage the gear sets and that is expensive, second the whole project was to keep as Many consumable Ford parts as possible so in Minot SD you can get consumable service parts. Can the inner axle shaft be upgraded to chrome moly? You can pick any of 5 companies if you think you need it. With the 2-1 reduction at the hubs you dont need to. All the torque and HP are absorbed at the hub resulting in 50% less stress on the other drive train. The only way to hurt the front axle is to run the Front hubs out of oil, then the bearings will cook in a few thousand miles. (Side note we pack the hubs with grease to help insure them) The factory rated weight capacity on the planetary hubs is 25,000 pounds per set. Mounted to a 12,000 pound rated front and a 15,000 pound rated rear axle, the hubs exceed the capacity of the truck. Which leaves the only concern to be weight bearing. The knuckles are cast steel not cast iron and the bottom ball joint is a ford item and the top ball joint is a custom Chrome moly unit. (which can be replaced by the stock ford ball joint in an emergency) These ball joints and knuckles survived the military test jumping 23,800 pounds over an 18" jump dozens of times with no problems. If we do find a customer that can exceed the capacity of the upper ball joint we already have room to machine the hole bigger for the bottom ball joint to be mounted in the top too... (Same size ball joint as the TAC 4 suspension from Oshkosh FYI)

    The rear axle has no weak points, the hubs share oil with the differential, the rear axle shafts are 1 7/8" double induction hardened and straightened 4340 Chrome moly steel.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rot Box View Post
    I'll bet the gear reduction hubs take a LOT of stress off of the axle shafts, ring/pinion and u-joints... That said the ball joint and wheel bearing strength would concern me. The wheel offset with the weight of the diesel, large tires and a big bumper/winch etc really add up compared to a factory issued pickup. Are they a weak point? I guess it depends on how hard you hammer on the thing--I'd LOVE to find out! Given the already impressive list of options I'm surprised they didn't opt for a D70 from a medium duty truck.

    Cool truck looks like a real workhorse

  8. #98
    MPG: loaded to 23,800 pounds it got an average of 9 MPG over 5500 miles (Mostly off road) Currently the rear and front diff have 3:73 gears in them or IE a 7:46 ratio and the military test truck had 365 80 R 20 tires (44x14 inches wide). The good news: Dana Holdings is cutting us a 3:31 reverse gear set for the Dana 130, we can already get 3:31 for the Dana 80 off the shelf now. So now with 3:31 and 2 to 1 reduction we are at 6:62 ratio and with our standard 335 80 R 20 tire (41x12.5") the speedometer will not even need adjusted. It will match the 4:88 and 32" stock tires within 2 MPH at 100 MPH accuracy. This should also bring our gas mileage back to the 12-14 range (highway). Furthermore, by next spring our planetary hub manufacturer will offer a manual lockout for the front hubs, I firmly believe we will get back to the 14-16 range at that point. My 4 door Ford dually truck had straight 4 in exhaust, Edge power chip set to economy, and the biggest air filter I could find, and got 28 MPG highway (trying hard) and 22 MPG driving normally empty. So with power chips, exhaust and custom intake, who knows how much we will get then?


    Quote Originally Posted by RVR2RSQ View Post
    Wonder what if any impact there is to the MPG on this rig. I have heard the new 6.7 engine is getting Earthroamers in the 12.3 MPG range. They are pretty much loaded to within a couple thousand of gross.

    I always thought the Earthroamer could use CTIS as well, maybe this is an option, would still want the air suspension as well for convenience in glamping though.

    Interesting....Dont have the money for either, but nice to put in the dream box.

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geared Hub View Post

    Now for something like a oil exploration truck for fracking out in remote areas, I can see the market. But it'll be a small market.
    Another market will be Texans who need to drive the most absolutely huge vehicle they can. Preferably with a Realtree camo wrap on it, and 800 pound bumpers.

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