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Thread: 1980 Hilux "What The Hell Am I Thinking" Build

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    Default 1980 Hilux "What The Hell Am I Thinking" Build

    Alright so here's my first post kicking off my Toyota Hilux project! The base vehicle is a 1980 Hilux (or pickup as it's known here in the states) and it is a BEATER! The previous owners liked to buy relatively stock trucks throw big tires on them and abuse them rock crawling and it sure shows. But I got this one for next to nothing and it's frame is straight and rust free so I'm happy! So without further a due here she is the day I bought it.





    As you can tell the body is practically a throw away. But the drive train is "relatively sound" ad as previously stated the chassis is in great condition. For my purposes it's perfect because by the time I'm done with it there won't be one part that will escape modification on this truck.

    So at this point a little back ground about me would be good. I'm about to turn 22 and I have been working on cars basically since I have been able to hold a wrench. When I was 4 years old my dad taught me how to rebuild model airplane engines which set the basis for me wanting to learn everything I could about anything mechanical or electrical. My parents love telling a story about when I was 5 at bring your child to work day one of my dad's co workers had a broken calculator he gave me to play with. About 20 minutes later to his surprise I brought it back working. Fast forward a few years my farther and I built a replica of a Lotus 11 seen below. So there's a short bio of my mechanical background and I feel I am up to the task of what I am planning.



    The Goal: Build a solid exploration vehicle setup for long distance exploration travel. Isn't that why we are all here? Here's where the "What the hell am I thinking" part kicks in. Plans for the truck thus far include a quad cab conversion, frame stretch, custom 5' bed that will incorporate minimum 20 gallon fresh water supply, fridge, cooking facilities, on board air, roof top tent with enough storage for 4 duffel bags plus chairs, fold up table, extra. rear airbags for load compensation, Mercedes OM617a swap, and long travel independent front suspension.

    A note about the quad cab. It won't really be a quad cab per say as much as it will be a really long extended cab. I plan on adding 3 and 1/2 feet to the cab to facilitate 2 extra seats with sufficient leg room. There will be no doors in the rear but there will be windows! Ok not that exciting, but I don't think 4 doors are entirely necessary and I don't want to deal with the headache of custom building doors. Also this is where the frame stretch comes in. To incorporate a 5' bed as well as the cab stretch I desire, the frame needs to be lengthened a foot and a half in the middle. I've studied a lot of photo's of frame stretches and I think I have a pretty good plan of attack worked out for how to make this happen.

    I think one of the most disputed aspects for expo vehicle design is independent vs. solid front suspension. I've read tons of info on the aspects of the two and I decided to go the IFS route for a few reasons. A) This vehicle is meant for long distance travel on dirt roads with the occasional off trail excursion, not rock crawling. B) Driver and passenger comfort are very important to me. Getting beat up while in transit because of a rough ride is never fun for anyone. (I've daily driven a Spec Miata and do not wish that stiff of a ride on anyone nor do I have interest in repeating that). C) I feel that if engineered well enough IFS can be just as durable as a solid axle setup. I'm pretty much sold on IFS at this point despite the requirement for the whole front end to be reconstructed.

    On another note, I say that virtually the entire truck will be in some way custom which I realize can lead to major issues when it comes to breaking something in a remote place and locating replacement parts. However, with the exception of the om617 adapter (which if I break I think there is larger issues) and the front control arms, all of the drive line and chassis related components will be stock Toyota parts. Even the control arms are being designed around retaining the original ball joints to ensure parts are easy to find and plentiful.

    So here is how it sits as of the moment.



    The front axle was already traded last week for a complete IFS of a 90' pickup and I'm in the design phase trying to figure out the exact geometry I'm after so hopefully it won't be on blocks for too long. Next step will be removing the redneck fab angle iron sliders that were welded to the frame so I can start the preliminary body work for the quad cab.

    So there you have it! It will probably be a bit of a slow start as we are still settling into our new place and I am lacking a lot of the tools I used to had access to in my fathers shop but it should be a pretty fun and semi unique project.
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    It won't be semi-unique. It will be totally unique. Good luck with this build, sounds like a lot of work, but look forward to the pictures.

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    Thanks for bringing it here.
    Keezer
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    Looks like a fun build, can wait to see this thing finished. Wouldn't it be easier to start with a 3rd gen extra cab pick chassis? Ifs already mounted, nearly long enough wheelbase already and the wider rear axle to match the track width of the ifs.

    Not questioning your mechanical prowess or creativity, just seems like a simpler place to start.

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    Wow--those really are some plans!

    If you hadn't already hacked off the front axle, I would have mentioned that the ride of a solid axle depends more on the springs and shocks than the axle itself. As you probably know, the Grand Cherokees, Range Rovers and others had nice supple highway rides with solid front axles. I put on some OME-light front springs and shocks on the solid axle and it really transformed the ride. It really soaks up the bumps now and it increased articulation as well.

    I don't mean to dissuade you from your plans (okay, maybe I do), but are you sure you want to spend that much time and effort on it? If it were me, I would do somewhat of a Trekker conversion on it with a shell (maybe a Flip-Pac or Wildernest for the expandable sleeping ability). Trim out the back cab wall, front bed wall and front shell wall, make some boots to cover the gaps and then you can add a second row of seats in the front portion of the bed, + the flooring of your choice. Someone I used to wheel with did that with an '82 or '83 truck and it came out really nicely. Behind the seats you could build cabinets to house the water tank, etc.

    Just an option.

    It looks like a great platform. Have fun--be safe!

    Eric
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    Along the lines of what Raintoy said, there are a few 1st gen 4runner bodies on 3rd gen 4runner chassis floating around. That would get you the IFS, the modern braking systems, and comfort options for long trips.
    If you are looking for wheelbases, check here:

    http://www.toyotareference.com/truck

    Good luck with the build.

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    Thanks for the interest guys. A few answers to your questions.

    I chose this specific year due to smog laws in here in California. In CA the engine you are swapping in has to be the same year or newer. That basically means that with the 1980 chassis I have 6 years of this particular engine to chose from. I know I could have bought and 86 with IFS but that means I would have a much more difficult time tracking down a donor in decent shape in my price range. At the penalty for doing a bunch of custom work I now have a much wider range of donors to chose from.

    On the solid axle can be as comfortable topic, my dad used to have an 01' Range Rover and I remember when I took my girlfriend to prom when we were in high school how she was shocked by how much better the ride was than her parents Suburban and Sienna. I miss that thing, but boy was the maintenance a head ache... I also just grew up with the idea ingrained in my head that their are 4 wheels so treat them independently. I 100% see the merit with solid axle suspension. I guess I'm just stubborn.

    I am also a student taking some time off right now, and while that means I have some more money available to me because I am working full time, I'm willing to bet I have the shallowest pockets on this forum. I was able to pick up this truck for next to nothing and I should be able to get almost all of my money back on the 300td/sd donor which means more money for expensive things like the fridge.

    The biggest thing though is I am kinda stuck with school at the moment. I'm trying to get into Cal Poly SLO which believe it or not has a max amount of credits to transfer from a community college (the route I mistakenly took) so I have nothing to do but work and be bored for the next year or so, so I just need a project. I also have never really been a bolt on mod kinda guy. I just get a lot more satisfaction out of hand fabricating each part. Well that's what I tell myself anyways.

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    Heck while you're at it you toss in IRS too. That would be bad arse...

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    Didn't they make 2wd ifs 80 truck. ....

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