Comeup Winches

[Karma]

Company has been around for 37 years. Some great products are made in Taiwan. Beo is right - lets judge based on facts.

HI,
We have no facts. Just a collection of hearsay. Some credibility would be gained if the winch had participated in some of the very rigorous winch tests that have been published. That would be a start.

Sparky

[Karma]

I'm not at all familiar with them, but noticed they have a lifetime warranty. That's always a good thing.

Maybe because there are a number of Winch manufactures and there are quite a few winches on the market that are better than many of the Warn models.

HI Anti,
Yes, I am bothered by Warn diving into the budget market. But, I think this reflects the business reality of the current market. I think you should be much more specific concerning your claims about Warn. For example, do you have real evidence that the budget Warn winches are inferior to, say, Smitty Built or others of that ilk? Or, for that matter, Warns own totl models. You should be able to point to test results. I have not seen any. So, I'm not arguing with you but you really should be able to quote data before denigrating Warn with such general statements.

Personally, I believe that you always get what you pay for. That Warn is now competing in the budget market begs the question of how are they getting the savings. I'm afraid they are cutting corners in budget line order to be competitive. As a consequence, one comes to one of several possible conclusions. First, their top of the line winches are way over priced. Given Warn's long term reputation and competition from other top of the line manufacturers, this seems unlikely. Or, where are they cutting corners and what are the consequences with their budget line?

Since I bought my XD9000 only 4 months ago, you can see that I'm not buying into their budget line.

I hope you have data because this really interests me.

Sparky

[Warn Industries]

Just to clear some things up:

In terms of the VR line, these winches have different motors, remotes, finishes, have a bit shorter lengths rope (on wire-equipped VRs), and use solenoids instead of an Albright contactor (compared to the M8000, etc.). These bits help save manufacturing costs. In addition, there simply isn't as much margin on the products for us. These winches were designed and engineered and tested by Warn Industries, and are not a private label deal. (e.g. they are NOT just designed by some winch company and we slap our name on it). We fully stand behind the VR winches with the same warranty and customer service as our most expensive winches.

- Andy

[Karma]

Just to clear some things up:

In terms of the VR line, these winches have different motors, remotes, finishes, have a bit shorter lengths rope (on wire-equipped VRs), and use solenoids instead of an Albright contactor (compared to the M8000, etc.). These bits help save manufacturing costs. In addition, there simply isn't as much margin on the products for us. These winches were designed and engineered and tested by Warn Industries, and are not a private label deal. (e.g. they are NOT just designed by some winch company and we slap our name on it). We fully stand behind the VR winches with the same warranty and customer service as our most expensive winches.

- Andy

HI Andy,
Thanks for the reply. However, your answer is no more informative than Antichrist's comments. How good are the budget winches, I want to know? What am I getting for the many more dollars I must spend to get a TOTL winch. I am much less interested in an average winch with a good warranty than a great winch with with a good warranty. After all, being stranded in the middle of nowhere with a winch that has failed is not a good deal even if the warranty covers it. I want a winch that does not fail period. Can I get that in your budget line? In other words, what am I giving up, if anything?

Sparky

[Antichrist]

I hope you have data because this really interests me.

Well, since you were the one who posted that no other winch could possibly compare to Warn (at least that's the implication of "Why oh why would you use a winch that is not a Warn?") ....

Here's a thread that goes in to discussion about winch tests in general: http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...winch-shootout

Any any case, my opinion is based on owning and using:
Koenig King 100 PTO
Warn 8274 that I bought new in the 70's (I have three, two will be for sale at some point)
Ramsey Platinum 9000
Ramsey RE10000

[HARDTRAILZ]

Warn Kool-aid again. Can't there be a winch thread without some BS warn is the best poster. I see just as many broken warn winches as any other brand out on the trail.

Thanks for posting up abouta winch option that may be of interest to some. I will research them when/if I need another winch.

[Karma]

[QUOTE=Antichrist;1167440]Well, since you were the one who posted that no other winch could possibly compare to Warn (at least that's the implication of "Why oh why would you use a winch that is not a Warn?") ....

Here's a thread that goes in to discussion about winch tests in general: http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...winch-shootout

Any any case, my opinion is based on owning and using:
Koenig King 100 PTO
Warn 8274 that I bought new in the 70's (I have three, two will be for sale at some point)
Ramsey Platinum 9000
Ramsey RE10000[/QUOTE/]

HI Anti,
I know there are other good winches out there. Superwinch and Ramsey for sure. My favorite is Warn especially the 8274 but that's me. What are not my favorites are the budget winches which I think are a waste of money and potentially dangerous. I think that many of these are used by folks who never leave the pavement and think winches look neat. They do. But they are much more.

In the case of your list, those are all TOTL units. I have no problem with any of them. You seem to not have bought into the budget movement.

Sparky

[Warn Industries]

HI Andy,
Thanks for the reply. However, your answer is no more informative than Antichrist's comments. How good are the budget winches, I want to know? What am I getting for the many more dollars I must spend to get a TOTL winch. I am much less interested in an average winch with a good warranty than a great winch with with a good warranty. After all, being stranded in the middle of nowhere with a winch that has failed is not a good deal even if the warranty covers it. I want a winch that does not fail period. Can I get that in your budget line? In other words, what am I giving up, if anything?

Sparky

Sparky,

What are you getting for more dollars vs. the WARN VR series:

• Faster line speed
• Extreme-duty sealing
• Premium components including a faster motor, a contactor vs. solenoids, a more durable remote. These items, specifically the contactor and remote, do up the durability/reliability factor.

Let's put it this way. If I were embarking on a global expedition, and I was going to be out for days/weeks/months on end in harsh conditions, I'd recommend one of our Ultimate Performance Series winches. The sealing alone is going to help increase the winch's reliability.

The VR is our Entry Level Series winch. It fits a lot of off road enthusiasts' needs very well. But, our Ultimate Performance winches are definitely a couple of steps above the VR.

All winches can fail under the right (wrong?) circumstances—period. All I can tell you is we do a ton of engineering, design, and testing to ensure our products are as reliable as possible. Plus, if you need us, we've got a full staff of customer service folks that know our products inside and out, frontside and back and are available eight hours a day, five days a week.

We've been making winches since 1959. If we couldn't build a reliable winch, I don't think I'd be typing this.

- Andy

[theksmith]

wow this entire thread went south. the only useful post here is the very first one. thank you to the OP for sharing an option that some of use may not have been aware of.

[Beowulf]

I still hold hope that we can start talking about Comeup Winches in this thread and use it as a repository for all things concerning this winch company. If needed, I'd like to start a "why do we love warn" thread.