North American unimog specialists

NorthernMexican

New member
Hey there! I'm wondering if anyone has had personal experience custom building a Unimog in North America? I'd like to keep it within 150k budget, and ensure that I can find all the necessary replacement parts locally. I live around Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. My main concern is that once a German made/engineered vehicle is modified/upgraded in NA it would loose its legendary quality. I don't really want to send the truck to Germany/Austria for upgrades and neither do I like the newer U500 cab-over style units.
My plan for the truck is to carry a couple people, dogs and a bunch of gear into remote areas of the boreal forest for some excellent hunting/fishing. So basically DOKA with a soft top over the truck bed.
Thank you beforehand.
 

NorthernMexican

New member
Hey Overland Hadley. I'm looking for a place that can look after the mechanical part of the build as good as the German's would. I don't really have a need for a camper. I use a 10 person outfitter tent with a wood fired stove as my "camper". My main concern is that the truck can keep up with traffic on the highways (70mph) and is built reliably. I want to make sure that nothing breaks in the middle of the woods. I've talked to a few shops that work on Unimogs, but I would like to find a person who actually dealt with one of those establishments.
My other option is a new BAE severe duty chassis, they are sold as Bronto trucks around here. I've test driven the 4x4 and found the following points questionable: can only ford 30" of water, can only go 60mph, costs around 200k with an insulated van body w/ Webasto heater.
Thank you for your help.
 

mhiscox

Expedition Leader
My main concern is that the truck can keep up with traffic on the highways (70mph) and is built reliably.
That requirement could be an issue. There are trucks with Very Fast Axles and/or Class overdrives that will get to 70 mph, but that doesn't make 70 mph a practical long-term cruise speed. And even if/when the engine can provide the necessary power, there are issues with the longevity of the rest of the drivetrain, particularly the portal gearboxes, that may not be happy at that running speed. Additionally, the gearing on many, if not most, Mogs puts 70 mph at or above engine redline. So in practice, any pre-U500 Mog that can reliably cruise at 100 kph is considered a fast one.

You mentioned having a couple of people and some dogs and gear and thus wanting a double-cab unit. If it is not strictly necessary--and it might not be if the dogs could go back and forth between cab and rear through a small passthrough--there are advantages, including improved selection, to considering a single cab unit as well. And if you can tolerate a single cab unit, the Class-equipped fire truck Trev just posted for sale:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/92877

might be worth your consideration, especially given that it's in Alberta.

Good luck with your search. If you have not already done so, checking at the Unimog Exchange:

http://www.unimog.net/exchange/

and subscribing to and inquiring on the Mog Mailing List:

http://tx4x4.com/mog.html

might be worthwhile.
 

NorthernMexican

New member
Thank you for the info Mike! I was planning on increasing tire size in order to achieve the desired 10km/h increase (with safety in mind, naturally). Thank you for posting the link to the MOG for sale, definitely a worthwhile consideration.
 

mhiscox

Expedition Leader
I was planning on increasing tire size in order to achieve the desired 10km/h increase (with safety in mind, naturally).
I was friends with a Mogger who managed to fit 52" tires to his 416 DoKa. The results were pretty strange, as there was a huge delta between his speed on the flats and when climbing hills. So big tires are a good strategy if most of your driving is on the flat, but be prepared to suffer a good bit on the grades, where most Mogs are none-too-quick to begin with. And, as you've probably found out, appropriate larger tires cost a small fortune and are in limited supply.

Unimog owners, though not that plentiful, are a very friendly, helpful group and will be eager to help you get the truck best for your use. Their general wisdom is that the people who buy a Mog thinking that they can make it "better" for their needs through significant modifications are sometimes disappointed, whereas the happiest owners are those who find their truck satisfactory as built. Lots of skillful German engineering went into their design, but they unfortunately weren't designing for the hilly, open spaces of the western half of North American. In fact, my Mog came with a dashboard warning light which lit up anytime I exceeded 80 kph, as that was the speed limit for European commercial trucks.
 

mogwildRW1

Adventurer
Mike,

Thanks for the mention.

As an emergency vehicle, my truck doesn't have the warning light for 80km/h as many do. It lists in the manual an allowed top speed (maintained) of 107km/h. I regularly cruise at 105km/h @ 2100rpm without issue. The truck will do 112km/h on a good day, on the flats. I check the hub temperatures frequently and never had an issue. Also, for hub temperatures, using the exhaust brake, rather than the brake pedal on grades, makes a world of difference as well.

With the Claas Overdrive, it makes hills manageable, as you have the 22% overdrive in any gear, so you can split the gears going up steep grades. The Claas Overdrive is probably the best add-on I've ever done to a vehicle, it make for much more pleasurable driving. Also, if you have fast axles, and put larger tires on, you loose some "lower speed" gearing, and that makes even the Unimog a bit fast in 1st gear for really tricky offroad situations. With the claas overdrive, your ratio's remain the same but with added in-between, so you don't loose any offroad prowess. In fact, you gain some as you have even more gears to use ;)
 

mogwildRW1

Adventurer
This is an example, of the box that is on the back of my truck, but converted to a camper shell:

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Again, that's not my truck, but one exactly like it, converted, mine is not a camper, but, this shows that it can indeed be tastefully done.
 

NorthernMexican

New member
Mike, thank you for another batch of info. I'm always in favor of a vehicle that was designed by a large team of engineers and built at a German factory rather than something put together from a variety of pieces in a local shop.
Trev, that's a very nice truck that you have! The camper conversion is pretty cool, but I really like the firefighting body the way it is, more utility than comfort; to each their own I guess, lol.
I'm wondering what heavy truck shop would be able to service the U1300L, I would imagine that the engine is pretty straight forward, however the consumable parts may not be so readily available, guess that's what online shopping is for.
 

mogwildRW1

Adventurer
The U1300L is really easy to service. If you have the repair manuals, (mine comes with them) they detail all the rebuild/refurbish of each and every part. It's really designed to be serviced. Unlike the older round cabs, the cab on the SBU is designed to tilt without moving it forward or bolting anything on. You just take out 4 bolts in the floor, unclip 2 heater hoses from the plastic cradle. Hook on the cab tilt hinges (they should only ever been hooked on when tilting the cab, as the cab is torsen free mounted, same as the box), put your jack on the frame and mount on the bottom of the cab (special mounts for it), and start jacking. The only thing to be aware of, is when lowering the cab, to be sure to line up the steering wheel spines correctly. You can seriously tilt the cab in 20 minutes or less, being careful. If you've done it a few times, probably even quicker.

Furthermore, really, there isn't much need to tilt the cab. Fuel filters are right up front. The grill and hood come off in under a minute, using the hood key, and you have access to the entire front of the engine, hydraulic tank, air filter, etc

And, the dang things have so much ground clearance, you can just about sit up underneath them (you can, in certain area's) and work on it. These trucks were designed to be maintained by a farmer, in a field, with standard tools (with the exception of a mighty big torque wrench...or, as the door sticker says, a long pipe and a certain amount of weight on the breaker bar :) )

With the cab tilted, you can access the entire engine, and transmission with ease.

Also, the transmission is divorced from the engine. It has a drive-shaft (small, prop shaft rather) connecting it. So, the clutch is really easy. No need to pull the transmission, just drop the prop-shaft, pull off the clutch housing (in my case, the Claas Overdrive), and voila! Clutch!

No wheel bearings to pack with grease either, the portals are oil bath.

Some of the parts are really common. The brake pads for instance are the same as some mid-80's sedan's. Many of the parts are Bosch components, air systems are Wabaco or Bosch. Brake hoses, belts, fuel filters, etc, all available with ease.

Besides Mercedes themselves (which I rarely buy parts from...) and Freightliner, there are some big parts vendors in the USofA.

Sean @ Eurotruck Importers is my main parts guy.

There's also Scott @ Expedition Imports and Jim Ince @ Eurotech services.

Sean @ Eurotruck sources the OEM for Mercedes, the guys whom supply Mercedes with the parts, so you can get the OEM parts, cheaper than the exact same Mercedes part, just without the blue box ;)

Oh, and, there's a Unimog certifed technician in Edmonton. Well, two actually. One works at one of the mercedes dealerships, and the other is 15+ years working on mogs, and is freelance. Aside from that, any heavy truck shop or diesel shop worth their salt should be able to service the major systems (injection pump for instance, is standard Bosch) with the repair manuals.

Standard service is pretty easy. Oil filter is common (MANN or Hummel) about $11, engine holds 15liters of oil, treat it good, and it will treat you good.
 
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mhiscox

Expedition Leader
And, the dang things have so much ground clearance, you can just about sit up underneath them (you can, in certain area's) and work on it.
I remember that as one of the coolest things about my Mog. Pretty weird to have so much clearance that you're working on many parts on the bottom of the truck with your arms stretched out.

All the information Trev just gave is the same I would have given you. Without a bunch of computers and complicated electronics, it's a pretty straightforward vehicle. In fact, one of the best things about 70s and 80s Unimogs is that they are capable of remote travel, but also capable of being fixed by mechanics in remote areas. A general diesel mechanic in a small town will understand a 416 or an SBU, whereas repair of a current diesel engine is often a non-starter unless the required diagnostic computer is available.

One last thing . . . Trev makes his Claas overdrive seem like a pretty nifty thing, and it is. I've never had the pleasure of driving a Mog so equipped, but I know enough about them and they have been sufficiently discussed around me to leave me with the opinion that it's the single best modification that any big Mog can have. It provides huge advantages to the driveability of the trucks.

One other last thing ;) . . . Michelin XM-47 tires are widely viewed as another great thing to have on a Mog. Given their wonderful off-road performance, it seems almost impossible that they work as well on pavement as they do. They cost a lot, are in limited supply and can be tricky to get balanced, but a smooth-running set of XM-47s--and I mention it because they're on Trev's truck--is a great thing.
 

mogwildRW1

Adventurer
Well it was nice to meet NorthernMexican on Saturday and chat up about Unimogs. Hopefully, we have deal pending. We even got to do two recoveries on Saturday so a proper winching demonstration was preformed, and the RW1's 5t Werner recovery winch preformed flawlessly, as expected.

He asked me to post some more info on some items we discussed in this thread for his reference. I'll dig up some spec's and post it here.
 

NorthernMexican

New member
It was a pleasure coming out to check out a great rig! Especially since one of the recoveries was me, lol. The winch is huge, the cable spool seems to be 2 feet in diameter! The truck is pretty much flawless.
 

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