¿What tire size do you wish existed? But does not.

billiebob

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Only 3 countries still officially use Imperial measure.
The USA, Liberia and Myanmar.

In every other country, Metric is the official unit of measure.

In America before we used Light Truck sizing of say 33x10.50.. we used F70, G70 etc.
Metric, which was once called Euro became the standard in the 1970s.
Tire height was rarely a selling point until ******** Cepek started selling the Super Swamper floatation tires.
235 is the section width. 85 is the profile, ie 85% of the width. Probably more accurate than 33", which is rarely 33".

Back Space vs Offset... Back space is definitely easier to understand but offset is better from an engineering point.
Offset is measured from the wheel centerline. Technically, all else equal, having the hub on the centerline will support more weight. Negative offset, in the 1960s termed reverse, moves the wheel out, positive offset, used in all front wheel drives, move the tire in. Negative offset, less backspace means the front wheel will need a bigger wheelwell to steer. Hence 4x4s running big tires on rims with less backspace need lots of lift to clear the front wheel wells. Positive offset, ie FWD, allows a smaller wheel well for the front steering tires, allowing a more compact and aerodynamic design.

Using either or both terms just takes a while to understand what/why the two measures measure.
 
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85_Ranger4x4

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Only 3 countries still officially use Imperial measure.
The USA, Liberia and Myanmar.

In every other country, Metric is the official unit of measure.

The way they do it is weird though.

How does a 255/75-17 compare to a 265/75-16?

Sure one is a little wider and one takes a bigger rim... overall height though?

Is a 30x9.50-15 taller or shorter than a 31x10.50-15? Which one is wider? It is all plainly spelled out in the tire size.
 
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billiebob

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roughly, (2(255)0.75)/25.4 + 17 = 32.06"
vs.......... (2(265)0.75)/25.4 + 16 = 31.64"

width, 255/25.4 = 10.03"
.........., 265/25.4 = 10.43"

Or 265 - 255 = 10mm... less than 1/2" without a calculator.
And since both are 75 series, the wider one would have less than 1/2" more sidewall but the rim is 1" smaller so the wider one will be shorter... if you believe the manufacturing is an exact science.... which it never is.

Regarding the 2 TL tires you chose..... you never know which is wider/taller unless they both come from the same manufacturer. But neither will actually match the LT sizing. Same with the Metric actual sizing will vary by manufacturer.
We live in a digital world but most things are still analog.

It is simple to do the math.
For handling the 65/75/85 profile tells you more the the LT sizing does.
You need to do math to calculate the profile which will determine how much sidewall there is to flex vs how stable a tire will be during evasive maneuvers on the highway.

Which is why sports cars use the Metric measure. ie steam roller 345/35R20s vs 345/55R18s
 
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RubiconGeoff

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I shouldn't have to do math to figure out my tire size; if the industry wants to use metric measurements, they need to stop being morons and just do diameter X width X wheel size. And what's with them continuing to use inches for wheel diameter? They got halfway through converting to their stupid metric sizing system but then quit before figuring out how many millimeters each standard inch wheel diameter is. I guess they got tired of all the math. LOL

But with that said, I would love to see 285/85 available for both 17 and 18-inch wheels (a.k.a. 36x11R17 and 37x11R18, which would be ODs that correspond directly with the real-world 37's and 38's out there, since nobody seems to be able to make a tire that matches its actual stated dimensions).
 

nickw

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roughly, (2(255)0.75)/25.4 + 17 = 32.06"
vs.......... (2(265)0.75)/25.4 + 16 = 31.64"

width, 255/25.4 = 10.03"
.........., 265/25.4 = 10.43"

Or 265 - 255 = 10mm... less than 1/2" without a calculator.
And since both are 75 series, the wider one would have less than 1/2" more sidewall but the rim is 1" smaller so the wider one will be shorter... if you believe the manufacturing is an exact science.... which it never is.

Regarding the 2 TL tires you chose..... you never know which is wider/taller unless they both come from the same manufacturer. But neither will actually match the LT sizing. Same with the Metric actual sizing will vary by manufacturer.
We live in a digital world but most things are still analog.

It is simple to do the math.
For handling the 65/75/85 profile tells you more the the LT sizing does.
You need to do math to calculate the profile which will determine how much sidewall there is to flex vs how stable a tire will be during evasive maneuvers on the highway.

Which is why sports cars use the Metric measure. ie steam roller 345/35R20s vs 345/55R18s
I think 85 Rangers point was you gotta do the math, it's a PITA. From an engineering perspective it makes sense, metric that is, since the relationships are ratios....
 

billiebob

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Is there really a whole lot of difference in that and a 235/85r16? You’re talking 1/3 an inch of width.


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225 is closer to 9.00
190 is 7.50

The 235/85 is close but still noticeably wider and shorter than the 7.50R16.
235 is 9.25" a fair lot wider than a 7.50"
But everyone sells the 235/85R16
 

nickw

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225 is closer to 9.00
190 is 7.50

The 235/85 is close but still noticeably wider and shorter than the 7.50R16.
235 is 9.25" a fair lot wider than a 7.50"
But everyone sells the 235/85R16
I think it's more to do with tread width, which is narrower than than tire width. The stock LCs come with 225s or 215s, but tread width is probably 7.5ish
 

Bayou Boy

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225 is closer to 9.00
190 is 7.50

The 235/85 is close but still noticeably wider and shorter than the 7.50R16.
235 is 9.25" a fair lot wider than a 7.50"
But everyone sells the 235/85R16

Take out all of the random stuff and you proved my point. It’s 1/4” more than that mythic 225/90. Totally unnoticeable in real life.

What he wants is available now.


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nickw

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Take out all of the random stuff and you proved my point. It’s 1/4” more than that mythic 225/90. Totally unnoticeable in real life.

What he wants is available now.


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it's closer to 1/2 inch....but could easily say 245s are close enough to 235s and so on.

235s came on 3/4 and 1 T trucks, I think 225s make sense on lighter rigs.

If they were side by side Id pick the 225s, but I'm realistic enough to realize these first world problems we moan about are fairly insignificant in the real world.
 

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