CA Coastal Commission to revoke [ALL] OHV access to Pismo Dunes

FrenchieXJ

Expedition Leader
Would that be the Short Bus?

Using the example I gave above;
That was a good idea. When I lived in Ramona for 37 years. The route to get to El Cajon 20 miles away went out the east end of town from where I lived. Took me past the San Diego Wild Animal Park to Escondido (north and west). From them their I would switch buses to San Diego Mission Valley (South). Catch the bus (east) to El Cajon transit center for another bus switch (North) and arrive 2 hours and 45 minutes later. I could also take the Trolley from Mission Valley to El Cajon transit center for another bus switch and arrive in 2 hours and 35 minutes. This was eight years ago before I left California and maybe they have something better now, I do not know or care.

The problem was I started work at 7:00 AM and the first bus out of town was at 6:00 AM. I would be right on time every day (late). Mass transit can work some places but limited to cities and highly populated locations.

The drive was only 25 minutes from Ramona to El Cajon.

Shade, you probably saw this from a different thread we were on, https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/overland-off-roading-and-trailer-buyers.206169/
Opinion on - We may not say this out loud but you have thought this.“I want a law to protect me from being responsible for decisions I make.” I also do not want laws to infringe on my rights. Opinion off.

If we do not take the initiative to get involved we will be subject to what they think is best for us however inappropate it is for people with common sence.

Da Frenchman
 

shade

Well-known member
Would that be the Short Bus?

Using the example I gave above;
That was a good idea. When I lived in Ramona for 37 years. The route to get to El Cajon 20 miles away went out the east end of town from where I lived. Took me past the San Diego Wild Animal Park to Escondido (north and west). From them their I would switch buses to San Diego Mission Valley (South). Catch the bus (east) to El Cajon transit center for another bus switch (North) and arrive 2 hours and 45 minutes later. I could also take the Trolley from Mission Valley to El Cajon transit center for another bus switch and arrive in 2 hours and 35 minutes. This was eight years ago before I left California and maybe they have something better now, I do not know or care.

The problem was I started work at 7:00 AM and the first bus out of town was at 6:00 AM. I would be right on time every day (late). Mass transit can work some places but limited to cities and highly populated locations.

The drive was only 25 minutes from Ramona to El Cajon.

Shade, you probably saw this from a different thread we were on, https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/overland-off-roading-and-trailer-buyers.206169/
Opinion on - We may not say this out loud but you have thought this.“I want a law to protect me from being responsible for decisions I make.” I also do not want laws to infringe on my rights. Opinion off.

If we do not take the initiative to get involved we will be subject to what they think is best for us however inappropate it is for people with common sence.

Da Frenchman
Frenchie, they already have a solution for you.
Move closer to work, preferably into a government housing development of our choosing.

For some people, there is no problem that government can't solve.
For others, government is always the problem.
I'm somewhere in the middle.
 

FrenchieXJ

Expedition Leader
Well back at the ranch at Pismo Dunes.

Any excuse to get control of sand dunes, like blowing sand. I ask you to take a moment to think about a natural area where the winds blow the sands around and create the dunes. This is Mother Nature doing her thing. We will never win against Mother Nature. For some people this makes a nice place to play with their sand toys. To others it is a tool to control others as they think that they are smarter then you. The dunes were formed there just a couple of days before people invented the automobile. ;) They will be there hundreds of thousands of years after man has left this planet and sand toys are gone for ever.

Shade, I like what you said!
For some people, there is no problem that government can't solve.
The government dose not care how many of your Rights we step on to make Our Rights, Right for you!

You do not want to get me started on the "Phersons milk-vetch", "Stephens' Kangaroo Rat", Mojave Desert Tortoise, Vernal Pool Ferry Shrimp and the list just keeps going.

And some how life just keep going on!

Da Frenchman
 

shade

Well-known member
I'm not against protecting things and changing policies, but I want evidence to support proposals, and a fair debate based on that evidence.

WRT blowing sand, it may be that the dune traffic has caused a problem (more blowing sand, finer blowing sand, finer blowing sand harming people's lungs, etc.), or it may be that some people are inflating the significance of blowing sand to support their position. The same can be said about protecting plants & animals, or any number of other reasons/excuses used to prop up policies based more on emotion than evidence.

No one knows until the data is available, and only then can rational decisions be made. Not everyone will be happy, but at least there will be more supporting a decision than popularity and emotion.
 

rayra

Expedition Leader
Just have to get out before they crater the State's economy or institute an exit tax. This snowball if just starting to accelerate downhill. They've corrupted the voter rolls, essentially have one party rule and a super majority to pass their average 900 bills per year. And as soon as they can finally circumvent Prop 13 and start really ramping up property taxes, the middle class will be crucified here. CA will become Mexico City writ large. Walked communities for the privately guarded socialist elites and nothing else but peons. Hell this state will blow right past that benchmark and head straight for the favelas of Brazil.
 

Mike W.

Member
And the difference between Communism and Socialism is? I have an idea..if they ban beach traffic I propose they build a huge wind farm right along the beach..Nothing about any of this is environmental..Its all about having the ability to build more condos...
 

shade

Well-known member
And the difference between Communism and Socialism is? I have an idea..if they ban beach traffic I propose they build a huge wind farm right along the beach..Nothing about any of this is environmental..Its all about having the ability to build more condos...
It very well could be.

A mandate for changing use restrictions should include a moratorium on any development on the land. Adding a sunset clause to push the ban for at least 20 years might also cool down any developers.
 

Mike W.

Member
I went to Cal Poly back from 80 thru 83..Have used the dunes since about 74..It hasn't changed other than the reasons to close it down. If you believe its about the environment you should do some historical background research. Check on who funds the impact studies and the money behind them.

I see the are going all in and claiming beach use damages minorities in the community..No beach access will destroy minorities in the community..that's also part of the plan..its all about dollars..always has been.
 

shade

Well-known member
I went to Cal Poly back from 80 thru 83..Have used the dunes since about 74..It hasn't changed other than the reasons to close it down. If you believe its about the environment you should do some historical background research. Check on who funds the impact studies and the money behind them.

I see the are going all in and claiming beach use damages minorities in the community..No beach access will destroy minorities in the community..that's also part of the plan..its all about dollars..always has been.
Has anyone had success with keeping access open by trying to out-close the Closers? If it's so important to close it to motorized vehicles, maybe it should be declared a wilderness area and ban all human activity. The developers wouldn't care for that.
 

Mike W.

Member
How well do you know the area. Its the land fronting the beach access that holds the value. Small businesses, RV parks and vacation rentals that would be devastated by closing the beach.

The community as a whole would suffer but the investors would strive..Same old California story.
 

shade

Well-known member
I know the area well enough that I wouldn't bother hoping to stumble onto a free campsite like I do in so many other areas.

It'll be a shame if developers move in, but you may be right about it only being a matter of when.
 

chet6.7

Explorer
In Morro Bay, they closed access to some dunes by the high school,built a development called the Cloisters,right next to the dunes,made a park and trail,I think this is the model that will be used.Build some high end homes,fence off habitat next to the homes(they need good views) and put a trail in to placate the unwashed.
Note the fenced off dunes,those used to be open to the public.
 
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