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Is there a way, on the web or on the device, to create routes from waypoint to waypoint? To me, the whole idea of waypoints is that they are endpoints of a route, but it seems that when creating a route you need to pick somewhere next to a WP because clicking the WP just shows its name. I'd LOVE to just be able to type in a WP name or select it as a routing point, rather than zoom way in on it just to be able to select a thing that isn't actually the WP.
 
Is there a way, on the web or on the device, to create routes from waypoint to waypoint? To me, the whole idea of waypoints is that they are endpoints of a route, but it seems that when creating a route you need to pick somewhere next to a WP because clicking the WP just shows its name. I'd LOVE to just be able to type in a WP name or select it as a routing point, rather than zoom way in on it just to be able to select a thing that isn't actually the WP.
What I do is select a point near the waypoint. If it doesn't look close enough for route accuracy, grab it and move it. When you grab an existing route point, it doesn't "select" an existing waypoint.
 
I have been using the app on my iphone and it works well for offline navigation when hiking and offroading. I just realized that I could install Gaia GPS on an older android tablet, and it seems to work loading the waypoints I've created. One limitation though seems to be that I cannot download any maps on the android tablet.

With my iphone and android tablet using the same account, should I be able to save offline maps on the android tablet? Or would I be required to set up two separate accounts to use it this way? If one can share waypoints and routes between these two devices, but the tablet doesn't have any maps on it to display, I'm not sure how useful that'd be.

What I'd like is to have my iphone and android tablet sharing any waypoints and routes I've created, and for both devices to be able to operate offline with maps I download. Can I do that?
 
I have been using the app on my iphone and it works well for offline navigation when hiking and offroading. I just realized that I could install Gaia GPS on an older android tablet, and it seems to work loading the waypoints I've created. One limitation though seems to be that I cannot download any maps on the android tablet.

With my iphone and android tablet using the same account, should I be able to save offline maps on the android tablet? Or would I be required to set up two separate accounts to use it this way? If one can share waypoints and routes between these two devices, but the tablet doesn't have any maps on it to display, I'm not sure how useful that'd be.

What I'd like is to have my iphone and android tablet sharing any waypoints and routes I've created, and for both devices to be able to operate offline with maps I download. Can I do that?
I used both apple and android and needed 2 accounts. That was a couple years back dont know if it has changed.
 
As far as I can tell, all devices will sync the same information unless you tell them not to. I downloaded many, many gigabytes of maps to an iPad mini and the next time I connected with a different device the same maps tried to download. It seems that the overall account "gets" everything you save - maps, WPs, tracks, routes - and every device wants to sync with it.

Everything I use is Apple.
 
A few friends and I just completed the Baja XL and we used Gaia 1.7.1 on an iPad Mini for 95% of the nav. We also had a Garmin Zumo running the Deluxe mapset, and a laptop/tablet running a different set of satellite maps. Sat imagery really rules the day for this kind of nav, especially for a team of people. The sat maps available in Gaia Deluxe, from ESRI, are definitely several years old and it would have been nice to have fresher images.

Gaia isn't really set up to do an adventure rally. LeadNav seems to be the go-to app for that kind of thing but there is a higher cost of entry and I suspect a steeper learning curve. I settled on Gaia, figuring that we would just see what rose to the top out of the devices and apps that we had, and Gaia turned out to be it. This was probably as much for the ease of use of the iPad screen as anything else, but there are plenty of nav features in Gaia that came in handy. The Garmin had better line map data but using the screen is terrible compared to the iPad. The laptop/tablet had a great display but again not as easy as the iPad, and the app was not really a nav app. The iPad could be passed around the cabin easily and was super easy to interact with.

The biggest perceived weakness was that it does not route on roads when offline (it only routes on straight line segments), and we were offline pretty much all the time. It turned out to be not such a big deal, because many of the small tracks we were on were probably not routable anyway; the Garmin sure couldn't route on them. On the highways, though, it would have been nice to let Gaia provide the distances between cities so we could evaluate those options. Instead, we had to painstakingly create routes out of dozens of short segments that approximated the course of a particular route, be it dirt or highway. The only real workaround to this would be to create every viable route when online, and then save all of those routes in a folder in case you may need them later on.

It's a bit odd that you can't start or end a route at a waypoint. At least, you can't use a waypoint to define the beginning or end (or any part) of a route; tapping it will just expose WP info rather than set it as a route point. Instead, you have to zoom way in and then select a nearby point that specifically ISN'T the waypoint you want so that you can create a route. It would be SO nice to be able to simply ask for a route between WP1 and WP2, but WPs cannot be used that way.

I found the icons at the top (map layers, sidebar, create, follow) to be very hard to activate sometimes. I would tap and tap and tap and tap and sometimes it would work, sometimes it would work twice and I'd be back where I started, etc. I don't see how this can be an actual app problem but it was comically repetitive in our case. Every other screen element responded properly.

Gaia does not generally respect the text size setting in IOS. Change the setting, nothing in Gaia changes except some menu or submenu headings. Things that you actually have to read while actually using the app for navigation (like waypoint labels or track labels) would be good candidates for using this setting.

The map markup options are limited. You can create an area, but it's very hard to make anything but a triangle since the chord midpoints rarely can be moved. I wanted to add circles of a specified radius around WPs but could find no way to do that.

Other than the above, the basic functionality is pretty good so what follows is a description of how we used it for our event given what it would and wouldn't do.

To prepare for the event I downloaded ESRI sat imagery of the entire Baja peninsula at Z=17, which took well over 50 GB. This was really tedious because you have a 10,000 tile download limit on those. I had to make hundreds of downloads to do it all. One annoyance is that some of the files seem to be set up so that they are structured to a higher zoom level than the actual data. For instance, it seemed that if I downloaded to Z=17 but the data for a section only went to Z=16, I would get a Z=17 layer of gray tiles that just said "Map data not yet available." Let me tell you, it's a lot more useful to zoom into a blurry Z=16 real tile than it is to end up with a gray Z=17 tile that just says there is no data. This only happened in some places. It would be super helpful if the imagery ended at a zoom level that actually exists and you never end up having to zoom back out to see the actual imagery again. This is really important so I'm going to come up with a different way of saying it for anyone who didn't understand: zooming in and having the map disappear really sucks. It would be way better to just stay on the previous tile and have it get slightly blurry. This is not a Gaia app problem, it's a tileset problem, but they are provided by Gaia. Additionally there is the fact that we are potentially downloading gigabyes of tiles that don't have actual data in them.

In addition to the ESRI images I got Google Maps, Gaia topo, OSM traces, and regular OSM I think. They took up very little space compared to ESRI and typically had 100k tile limits per download, making them very quick.

It was a ten day event and I didn't want tracks and WPs from one day to clutter the screen for the next, so I created a folder for each day. This feature is great; you can turn folders on and off to show or hide everything in them. Imports go into a root folder and from there you can move items out into the subfolders. I created base routes for each day, as well as WPs that were in the roadbook for each day, and put them into the day folders. When the event started, each morning we were given a download of race WPs for the day, and they stayed in the root folder (along with all of the tracks I created during the day) and at the end of they day they all got moved into that day's folder, leaving a clean root for the next day.

On any given day, once we got the WPs, we would start to run options. We'd backtrack from the finish, calculating drop-dead times for reaching the finish on time from various places by road or by dirt. We'd calculate distances for various route options, assigning each segment a speed based on the sat imagery, to estimate how long it would take to get to a major midpoint of the overall route. I named each segment as its distance so I could just tap a track and see how long it was. There was never enough time to fully analyze the options, but we learned which data we were likely to need the most on a given day and then fine-tune it on the fly.

In motion, the navigator (whoever was holding the iPad) would be responsible for calling out turns to the driver as well as preparing him for upcoming problems. The app had a small lag between the position shown on the map and the actual position, which we had to get used to. Typical directions to the driver sounded like, "200 yards then half-right... just past the half right there's probably a wash... after this crest, hard left... OK coming up to another wash... if the road splits, keep right..." etc. This was all pretty easy to see with the arrow moving on the sat map, although we all knew the imagery was dated.

We had timed-distance challenges too, for which we used the "Record track" function. That way we had average speed, elapsed time, etc. I think Gaia will only record one track, so if we were already recording the day's route we had to stop that and start a new one for the timed section.

That's about it. If I had it to do over again I think I would still use it. Any questions, post 'em.
 
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I used both apple and android and needed 2 accounts. That was a couple years back dont know if it has changed.
As far as I can tell, all devices will sync the same information unless you tell them not to. I downloaded many, many gigabytes of maps to an iPad mini and the next time I connected with a different device the same maps tried to download. It seems that the overall account "gets" everything you save - maps, WPs, tracks, routes - and every device wants to sync with it.

Everything I use is Apple.
Thanks for the replies and information. After doing some more reading online, I *think* I'm understanding my situation better.

My app in the iphone was purchased a few years back, before Gaia GPS went to the subscription model. So I have what they call a "Legacy" membership. It appears this membership is really only fully usable on that phone. While other devices like my android tablet will allow me to enter my Gaia account info and load waypoints and routes I have previously created, the membership on the android tablet is effectively the "Free License" one, which doesn't allow downloading maps for offline use. On my tablet, if I navigate to any menu options that are not part of the Free License, I get a screen that invites me to pay for Basic or Premium memberships.

I was hoping I could just use what I already had, but if purchasing one yearly subscription membership will definitely allow me to share waypoints across both devices and download offline maps to both, that's probably what I'll end up doing. So far I haven't seen anything that definitively says that's what I'll get. @LandCruiserPhil do you have two "Basic" memberships? Did you start with the Legacy (purchased for $20) app and then add the second account later like I'm trying to do?

Thanks for the detailed Baja writeup @AntonLargiader, sounds like a great trip!
 
Thanks for the replies and information. After doing some more reading online, I *think* I'm understanding my situation better.

My app in the iphone was purchased a few years back, before Gaia GPS went to the subscription model. So I have what they call a "Legacy" membership. It appears this membership is really only fully usable on that phone. While other devices like my android tablet will allow me to enter my Gaia account info and load waypoints and routes I have previously created, the membership on the android tablet is effectively the "Free License" one, which doesn't allow downloading maps for offline use. On my tablet, if I navigate to any menu options that are not part of the Free License, I get a screen that invites me to pay for Basic or Premium memberships.

I was hoping I could just use what I already had, but if purchasing one yearly subscription membership will definitely allow me to share waypoints across both devices and download offline maps to both, that's probably what I'll end up doing. So far I haven't seen anything that definitively says that's what I'll get. @LandCruiserPhil do you have two "Basic" memberships? Did you start with the Legacy (purchased for $20) app and then add the second account later like I'm trying to do?

Thanks for the detailed Baja writeup @AntonLargiader, sounds like a great trip!
Yes I believe I did what you are trying to do. Dont be afraid of reaching out to Gaia as I have had very good customer service from them.
 
That's about it. If I had it to do over again I think I would still use it. Any questions, post 'em.
Thanks for this review. It mirrors my experience with most of the offline apps. I've tried a few:

- Gaia
- Maps Plus (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/map-plus/id438868200)
- Pathaway (http://pathaway.com)

Pathaway is mostly dead, but was very well done. Maps Plus is my current favorite.

The biggest issue, like you noticed, is that authoring tracks is very inconvenient on mobile. It works fine, sitting at the computer and clicking around with a mouse, but on a tablet or a phone -- forget it.

I'm very interested in this topic 'cause I'm particularly directionally challenged..
 
The biggest issue, like you noticed, is that authoring tracks is very inconvenient on mobile. It works fine, sitting at the computer and clicking around with a mouse, but on a tablet or a phone -- forget it.
It really wasn't bad on the Mini. Zoom in, start the track, and everywhere you long-pressed became another vertex. On straight sections you can go a ways between vertices, but on twisty sections you have to make a lot of them. It's a bit tedious for longer tracks, but not difficult at all. Sure it would be way easier to auto-route those sections, but I highly doubt that ANY software auto-routes on that stuff.
 
Yes I believe I did what you are trying to do. Dont be afraid of reaching out to Gaia as I have had very good customer service from them.
I wanted to update this with some good news... I had posted on the community forum and they did get back to me and had this to say:

I'm sorry you are having trouble accessing maps on your Android - you should be able to save maps using one account.

It looks like you are currently using the classic version of the app on your phone. Since you purchased the app in the past, when you logged into the updated app, your account should have automatically been upgraded to have a lifetime Legacy Membership. I'm sorry that did not happen.

I added a Legacy Membership to your account so you will be able to use the updated app on all of your devices and access all the same maps and features you and before.
So now I am able to download maps on the tablet, and it seems to work on both devices, though having played around with the tablet a bit more I'm realizing just how slow it is. Not the app, it's the tablet itself. Probably time for a newer one.

Back to the point, great customer service by Gaia.
 
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