Project Victory_Overland 08 LR3 Build Thread!

Interesting and thanks for the links on the X5 wheels.....that really looks like a great option! Any spacers required or do these bolt right up flat?

Here is the link to DiscoverParts.de where I bought my 17x8 steelie! These guys are super easy to work with and know their stuff. Just tell them you have a NAS D3 and what you are planning on doing. They will work with the shipping process from Germany.

Peter is the great guy I was dealing with...not sure if he's one of the owners or what but super helpful and always responsive. I also added the lugs they use to ensure the process just in case the bevel was different or some craziness.....no issues though!

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The wheels are actually out of Australia made by Dynamic Wheel Company so you may be able to source from them with some conversation. The OZ exchange rate is much better but I have not made contact with them up to this point.

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Yeah definitely not cheap but a great option for a trail only set up.

I need to learn more about this X5 set-up because that seems like a very affordable and light option. Not sure how well they will handle the weight of the LR3 but they look nice and seem to fit great. Just curious to know if any spacer is involved because I do not want spacers ever again. And if X5 bolts right up, that means there are many other available wheel manufacturers out there to chose from with that set-up.
 

zelatore

Explorer
I admit I haven't dug back through all 18 pages, but...

Did you down-size the brakes to fit these BMW wheels? I see the Oz thread, but most of their trucks are diesel so have the smaller brakes already.
 

Ray_G

Explorer
My understanding is anyone wanting to run 17 goes down to V6/Diesel brakes as part of the deal.

Further understanding is, unless you are driving it like a rally car, that has little impact.


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ar4me

Adventurer
Further understanding is, unless you are driving it like a rally car, that has little impact.
Makes you wonder why Land Rover upped the brakes on the LR4 (at least the NA V8), compared to the LR3... Personally, as a matter of safety, I would not decrease brakes from standard on a vehicle, particular given all the extra weight that is added on these overland rigs. My guess is that in common, run of the mill driving, you may not experience a difference, but on a long descent you are far more likely to overheat your brakes and have brake fade if the rotors are notably "smaller". Safety of towing could be compromised as well, depending on trailer brake setup etc.
 
I admit I haven't dug back through all 18 pages, but...

Did you down-size the brakes to fit these BMW wheels? I see the Oz thread, but most of their trucks are diesel so have the smaller brakes already.
Not my BMW wheels but I have the 17" LR OEM Disco wheels on mine and they fit great and almost zero noticeability on brake performance at any weight. The increase in tire performance is quite noticeable in every fashion so I doubt I will ever go back to 18" wheels.

My understanding is anyone wanting to run 17 goes down to V6/Diesel brakes as part of the deal.

Further understanding is, unless you are driving it like a rally car, that has little impact.


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JWestPro has also done this mod and he has the EBC performance brake set up on his Disco3. I have the standard V6 set up from AB and he has the EBC kit. He runs pretty heavy as well and from what I remember does not see any noticeable decrease in braking.

On a side note, my guess is that LR chose to run like components on their vehicles for cost and performance. Considering few off-road their vehicles and the direction they have continued to go on LR design, bigger bling meant more sales!

The only thing I could possibly do better than having my 17" wheels is having 16" but no chance that can happen on the Disco3. I'm looking at the BMW option now for the ability of a second set of wheels for my KO2 setup.

Thanks, @Ray_G for the link to the Aussie experience! I'll let you know how they work out!
 

Ray_G

Explorer
Makes you wonder why Land Rover upped the brakes on the LR4 (at least the NA V8), compared to the LR3... Personally, as a matter of safety, I would not decrease brakes from standard on a vehicle, particular given all the extra weight that is added on these overland rigs. My guess is that in common, run of the mill driving, you may not experience a difference, but on a long descent you are far more likely to overheat your brakes and have brake fade if the rotors are notably "smaller". Safety of towing could be compromised as well, depending on trailer brake setup etc.
True, of course the thing that comes to my mind is it makes you wonder why people hang so much weight all over their trucks (compromising the safety of the vehicle, particularly offroad) but don't look first at the single most important facet-what joins the vehicle to the earth (tires).

Looking at where LR is going from a design perspective raises more questions than answers: larger diameter wheels for better on-road performance directly contributes to offroad issues with sidewalls.

Overall I think either the V6 EBC or standard V6 setup will be as safe for a discerning driver looking to eek out performance via MTs for their application. For the average user? Probably not worth it, but they wouldn't get their without significant effort either.
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Ray
 
Makes you wonder why Land Rover upped the brakes on the LR4 (at least the NA V8), compared to the LR3... Personally, as a matter of safety, I would not decrease brakes from standard on a vehicle, particular given all the extra weight that is added on these overland rigs. My guess is that in common, run of the mill driving, you may not experience a difference, but on a long descent you are far more likely to overheat your brakes and have brake fade if the rotors are notably "smaller". Safety of towing could be compromised as well, depending on trailer brake setup etc.
I see your point, however, I still feel no performance decrease as my driving style is always tailored to my configuration! On the same note, I prefer trans braking over the pedal braking method (or a combination of both). I've lived in hilly and/or mountainous terrain for the majority of my life and brakes surely are of concern, especially with a heavy pig like Victory. My take is to tailor my driving to the situation at all times......at least as much as I can control! Additionally, I do not believe for a second that LR went with bigger brakes on the LR3 for anything other than highway performance.

True, of course the thing that comes to my mind is it makes you wonder why people hang so much weight all over their trucks (compromising the safety of the vehicle, particularly offroad) but don't look first at the single most important facet-what joins the vehicle to the earth (tires).

Looking at where LR is going from a design perspective raises more questions than answers: larger diameter wheels for better on-road performance directly contributes to offroad issues with sidewalls.

Overall I think either the V6 EBC or standard V6 setup will be as safe for a discerning driver looking to eek out performance via MTs for their application. For the average user? Probably not worth it, but they wouldn't get their without significant effort either.
r-
Ray
Agreed @Ray_G ! I would say the 17" wheel conversion is not for everyone, however, I do believe the vast majority of people on here that I am learning from really can benefit from the change. I wouldn't recommend the parts and labor for someone who is not going to spend a significant amount of time with dirt under their tires. My goal is to convert solely to travel vehicle and keep away from daily driving uses.
 
I've been having quite the whining party under the hood over the last few weeks and I believe to have narrowed it down to the A/C compressor clutch bearing. Unfortunately, through my research, I believe that the Denso model the LR3/4 uses that it is not possible to just replace the clutch as it is internal and variable and not on the outside in the pulley like "normal" compressors! My plan was to attempt to replace it on the vehicle without having to unplug A/C lines and recharge the system but it appears I am out of luck.

I have the truck broken down now and found a crack in the coolant housing as well; good thing I have a brand new one on the shelf to replace it with!

Since everything else in the coolant system is brand new, I guess it is time this part finally showed its mileage. On the same project, I plan to remove the throttle body, clean it out really good and replace my MAP, PCV, and MAF at the same time since these have been on the vehicle since the original build date.

I picked up a new Denso compressor, and all of the LR original MAP, PCV, and MAF from British Parts of Utah, free shipping and should be here by the weekend.
 
Last week's events finalized the replacement of worn dynamic parts under the hood. I was able to get a great deal and super fast shipping from British Parts of Utah for the Denso A/C compressor (Free Shipping Lower 48). I also replaced my coolant housing since I broke the plastic bleeder port off the thermostat housing. BPofUtah also supplied the new MAP, MAF, and PCV that were long overdue. I am looking to do the O2 sensors end of the month when I get back down to my house in SoCal. The MAP and PCV were completely gunked over and I would hate to know what type of manifold pressures I've been running......UGH.

After installing all of the new parts, I reset the values with my GAP tool, had an initial rough idle and then it leveled out beautifully with a nice smooth idle. Knowing I was heading to San Jose for these next few weeks, I decided that the trip was going to be 95% tarmac so I installed the 18" wheels with the old Nitto ATs for mileage.

I started the trip off in the late morning and coordinated with Abran at CARRS4x4 in Huntington Beach for the new Odyssey PC1350 main battery install. Abran was ready for me and had me in and out of there in a flash and my lady and I were off for a burger at My House Pub before we started the long haul up to San Jose.

------Great place Abran, it was a pleasure to meet you and the wife and I look forward to linking up again in the near future------

Victory doesn't look right with those itty bitty tires but she's running great and I haven't seen 17.5mpg like this in a loooooonnnnnngggggggg time! All of the sensors were long overdue and she is running really well again. I still feel like maybe it might be time for coil packs and a good injector cleaning but right now she's purring like a kitten again and I'm stoked. No more lean bank codes either!!!!!
 

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I picked up a set of five X5 wheels for Victory yesterday. I've been reading over the Aussie threads on this mod and they should bolt right up. I am waiting to confirm the load rating on these as I have heard everything from 800 to 1200, both of which should be okay.

I'd prefer to get another set of LR 17" so I do not need different lug nuts but right now I have to get what I can get. Anyone selling some 17" LR wheels, let me know! hahaha I have one set with KM2 and would like this set for the KO2 AT set-up for the other set; currently that will be with the X5 wheels.

Also, as soon as I am sorted here, I will be offloading my 18" wheels with the remaining rubber left on the Nitto Terra Grapplers. Anyone interested, let me know and I will put you on the short list. I am in San Diego area and can help coordinate pick-up or shipping if needed; might be a week or two before I am ready to take them off but can work out the transfer before hand.
 

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