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motoz

Adventurer


Solo cooking equip review...
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Snowpeak 60th Ti Trekking set V MSR Windburner
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Here is a light hearted shootout of the SP Ti set v MSR Windburner. This test was performed in our shed so no wind, it was 23C inside using 700ml water @ 10C.

Both stoves were run on the same 460gm ISO Butane 4 season mix.

Results as follows:

Weight (complete kit)

SP Ti weight with 100gm gas can: 632gm
MSR WB with 100gm gas can: 664gm

Boil times using 700ml water @ 10C

SP Ti: 5min 06sec
MSR: 3min 26sec

I wanted to compare these two units for interest only. With only 32gm between them for vehicle based travel the weight isn’t an issue.
Size wise the SP is 10mm wider yet 25mm shorter so the difference is negligible.

Performance the MSR boils the same volume of water about 1min 40sec quicker than the SP.

Usability in the field, the MSR is our go to for a quick coffee / tea break on the side of the trail. It is though really a one trick pony in that it’s only really good for heating water for drinks or rehydrating meals.
The SP has more options being a two pot system. You can use one as a cup / bowl negating the need to bring another cup in your pack.
Where the MSR shines is in windy conditions or at altitude. The SP even with the screen is effected by cross winds losing a bit of direct heat. The GS-100 pumps out more BTU’s than the MSR though.

Conclusion I don’t think you could go wrong with either option for light weight cooking units for field use. The MSR lives in our 4WD draws but I’ve found we’re taking the SP more these days as well to use instead of taking a traditional stove. You can fit a cast / spun pan on top, even the lid of the SP Micro Oval works well and cook your protein items.

As mentioned this is by no means a full technical review more a comparison of two different options for outdoor cooking.

And by the way I’m in no way endorsed by anything except self sponsored .



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djb5118

Member
Hi -

Is someone able to post a closer photo of the IGT slide bracket? I'm wondering if this will interface successfully with my Tacoma bed rails to be used as a table inside of my truck canopy.
 

jtosbo00

Observer
I got the SP Kitchen Table last week and set it up with some of the connector accessories that I picked up today from L’Breath. The 4U table frame is out of stock in many places so I’m still looking for it in the stores (trying to use my SP Points Card). Hopefully I get it by the end of the month so I can finally have the stove/grill setup and do a cookout! Some photos of the new model.

New:
Kitchen Table - LV-310
Kitchen Table IGT Frame Connectors - LV-312
Kitchen Table Side Connector - LV-313

Additional Products In Photos:
Storage Container 25
Gas BBQ Grill - GS-355
















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motoz

Adventurer
I got the SP Kitchen Table last week and set it up with some of the connector accessories that I picked up today from L’Breath. The 4U table frame is out of stock in many places so I’m still looking for it in the stores (trying to use my SP Points Card). Hopefully I get it by the end of the month so I can finally have the stove/grill setup and do a cookout! Some photos of the new model.

New:
Kitchen Table - LV-310
Kitchen Table IGT Frame Connectors - LV-312
Kitchen Table Side Connector - LV-313

Additional Products In Photos:
Storage Container 25
Gas BBQ Grill - GS-355
















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What are your initial thoughts?

It's so hard to tell from the photos, is it as stable as a standard IGT setup of the same size?



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jtosbo00

Observer
What are your initial thoughts?

It's so hard to tell from the photos, is it as stable as a standard IGT setup of the same size?
I got a chance to grill out on the balcony tonight. My first impression is I think its a little more stable when you add another shelf to the top section or a IGT 4U frame (which is what I did). One thing you have to do is use a flathead screwdriver or something similar (a large coin would suffice too) so you can tighten the bolts. Similar to my experience with the IGT frames, the more you put on it and/or attach other SP table extensions/IGT frames, the more stable it becomes. With similar setups, the kitchen unit is more stable b/n the two.

I plan on grilling out again tomorrow night and I have few more thoughts plus some pics I will share about my experience with it thus far. I will post additional feedback later this week.



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jtosbo00

Observer
RE: SP’s New Kitchen Stand Initial Review

This is a continuation on my previous posts regards to the new kitchen stand. After assembling my setup, including some of the accessories and 2 cookouts, I have some additional thoughts about it.

The Setup:
It will take a little bit longer to set this new kitchen up in comparison to the IGT frame/tables. It’s not too bad and its simply because of the fact that SP is using bolts this time and that requires not only screwing them in place but also tightening the bolts, especially if they are going to holding heavier loads like a loaded IGT frame with stove/grill.

It’s quite versatile as you can see in the photos. I was able to attach the windscreen, handing wire, and the “dish rack”. All of these items were purchased from Cat & Kai (sp?). I noticed a couple of things when using the IGT frame connector and installing the windscreen on the IGT frame. First, you need to install the windscreen first before placing into the IGT connectors. Second, the windscreen from Cat & Kai will force the IGT forward on the connectors and partially blocks the hole where you bolt the IGT frame into the connector. It doesn’t really effect the overall use without the bolts in place but I would prefer to leave the connectors attached to the IGT frame permanently while storing it. It would be easier to simply drop the IGT frame with the connectors attached into the kitchen stand (also leave the bolts on the legs). I plan on grinding/cutting out a small part of the windscreen to allow me to do this (about .5in square on each side).

The side connectors I bought are obviously for the bamboo extension tables but I was able to use the hooks on the IGT frames (3U & 2U) to attach them. I’ve purchased an additional IGT connector set as I may want these two sides table to be a “permanent fixture” as well. Something to note that I didn’t realize before I purchased the kitchen stand, the two feet in the front allow you to unscrew and level out the stand if needed.

The Cooking Experience:
First, my biggest positive experience is having shelves directly below the cooking surface. Having previously used the 4U IGT frame in the past for cooking, I had to remind myself a few times that I had shelves below. Often when you need to move something out of the way, swap something, or simply store it, its right there at your feet. I loved having this and it makes you realize how much you want it after using the IGT frame. Of course, you can get hanging frames for the IGT frame and it would do just fine.

The shelves are solid and feel quite sturdy. I wouldn’t try to step up on it but placing a heavy charcoal bag or SP container would be no problem. The top bar is a nice feature. I am tall (6’3”) and I used to have the utensils, towels, etc. hang from the IGT frame itself but having it up high on the top bar was a welcomed change for me. You can visibly see what you need while juggling the cooking and just grab it. I can also see it being more accessible for other people to quickly grab what they need without needing you to get it for them or step out of the way. You can also place one of SP half storage containers or something similar (paper towel rack, napkin holder, utensils, etc.). One thing I do wish SP did a little better: the attachment point for the top bar is slightly too big I think. While its easy to slide in the top bar in the slots, the bar tilts down ever so slightly. The slight tilt will have tall items like a cooking spray tilting a little. However, the Cat & Kai unit I was using is shallow, so a deeper container like the SP Stainless Steel Container will be more secure. But if I’m being picky, and I am, it could be better to avoid this.

While cooking, the table is sturdy and I didn’t have any issues of wobbling. Will it wobble if you bump it hard? Of course, but depending how heavy the stuff you have on it, it will be minor at best I think. My use cases pretty much call for the top rack to be used for cooking and since my first impression is positive, I don’t think I will be using the old setup with just the IGT frame on legs. I have 2 other 4U frames and they will be used for serving larger gatherings and/or cleaning & drying dishes.

Other Notes:
Storage bag. Why, why, why SP do you make us go buy a storage bag for this? It doesn’t cost too much to throw in one. I’m disappointed its not included. So yea, I ordered the nylon/pvc bag and its on its way. I’ll have to post again how everything fits when I get a chance. It really should have its own!



UPDATE (3/22/2019):
I got a new set of IGT connectors for the kitchen stand. Upon installing these on the outside of the kitchen stand frame, I discovered that tightening the bolts with another set of IGT connectors opposite is pretty challenging using a coin or short tool. I ended up buying a Japanese flat head screwdriver that has a rounded edge. Much easier but another thing to add to my list of items to take when camping.

However, getting the 2nd set of IGT connectors was moot when I discovered that the IGT frames have much more ‘wobble’ using these connectors. I reverted back to the old setup using the side connectors in combination with the hooks. Much better and will stick with this method.

One more related item to note, when using the bolts with just one side having a connector, the bolt leaves some play on the connector and that causes a little bit of wobble. I bought some nylon washers to eliminate this. The included shelves don’t have this issue.

Finally, I cut out a tiny notch on the corners of the Cat & Kai windscreens to allow the IGT frame to slide back just enough to line up the holes and bolt in the IGT connectors. However, I had to use nylon washers to tighten the bolts as well.

Is it absolutely necessary for the additional hardware? In short, no. I plan to leave some of the connectors permanently attached to the IGT frame and kitchen stand so having a tight connection is important to me while they are stored in my Thule trailer. I prefer to have things bolted down and/or tight for those long trips on the road.


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jtosbo00

Observer
After my 1st two cookouts, I needed a trash can or, I convinced myself I really needed one. More specifically, SP’s new trash bin. Yep. I need it. Ok, I wanted it, sue me! Pictures!!



Note: you can use 3 standard size grocery bags or one 45l trash bag.


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Lennart

Adventurer
Beef Short Ribs and King Oyster Mushrooms over Charcoal via SP IGT

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Oh yeah, that's what I call cooking. Love it !
Care to share the recipe for the Beef Short Ribs ? Braised and grilled or only braised?
Baby paksoi as a side dish?
Eryngii are some of the tastiest mushrooms around.
All in all a Five Star Meal :D
 
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