So is a '9000' class winch 'enough' for a 6500# Suburban

rayra

Expedition Leader
Curt front hitch is rated 9000# straight line pull. <---- weakest link

A cradle rated 13000#, $54

The Curt #31010 has no weight rating and says it's meant for use on lower capacity hitches.

My factory class III rear hitch is rated 500 tongue, 12k GVWR.

Smitty universal snatch block, 17,600# rating, $28


This guy has an interesting and informative video on pulling apart and pre-servicing a Badland 12000, pulls the planetary completely apart and fully lubes everything, which seems like a great idea to me. Model's a little older, but I expect construction to be very similar and his info useful.

I've got (3) 9500# rated shackles. and the aforementioned straps. Factory forged hooks on the front frame ends. And had some forged hooks bolted to the rear frame ends when I have the hitch off. I'll have to drill some holes in hitch and frame plates to put 2nd bolts in those hooks to mount them with the hitch installed. So I'll be good to run out, thru a snatch block and hook back to the vehicle frame-mounted hooks.

And with a snatch setup I can get around that 9000# front hitch weak link a bit.

I had a tow strap (non-stretching) but it got too beat up over the years, and punctured on an undercarriage bolt head once, I'd knotted that off in a loop about 4' from one end of the strap. But finally decided to s-can that strap when I got the fresh new recovery strap. Might get another tow to use as a cable extension or to anchor the vehicle to a tree or a 3rd vehicle, if I'm winching someone else.

Got plenty of gloves. Want / need a throw storage bag that doubles as a throw bag. I can sew all the covers or bags I need.

I'd want to weld up a stowage position receiver that would bolt to the top of my storage platform inside, forward of my MFC / MWC storage bin / mount, but would probably just keep the winch mounted outside, instead of wrasslin' it about inside the vehicle on an excursion when there will be a lot of gear back there and it's a sleeping platform too.
 

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
I know the multi-mount system is tempting, but one of the only times I have came VERY close to seriously being injured was with one of those units.

The short version. Moving them back and forth on dry flat ground is one thing. Trying to move the winch to the other end when the vehicle is half hanging off the side of the road when you REALLY need it in the snow and ice is another. Murphy always makes sure that the 'other' end would always be better. I was trying to lift the winch nearly over my head while balancing on snow and ice. I lost my footing and the winch came within an inch of causing me serious bodily harm as it all came crashing down. Getting seriously hurt while you are already stuck could be the end of things.

I also don't like that most single receiver winch mounts are not going to be suitable for off angle winching. When I get stuck, I would say over 50% of my pulls are off angle because of the vehicle position or anchor selection.

Good luck with your project. Stay safe.
 

rayra

Expedition Leader
Thx and yes, can be dangerous. I am indeed worried about the weld quality on some of these chinesium parts. And would just as soon have something heavier duty from thicker plate and much better welds be done. This project drags out many more years and I will probably weld my own. I'll have an actual workshop and better gear by then.


Here's a rear hook pic from a couple years ago. I need to drill some holes and re-add those hooks now that I have my rear hitch reinstalled.



or get some clevis tabs welded to some mounting plates that are drilled to fit my hitch mount bolt pattern. But the hooks are more suited to how I have been doing things for decades.


My 30k strap is described as recovery and tow and not as a stretchy 'snatch' strap.

little perturbing that Smittybilt doesn't seem to explain or differentiate between the two types of strap.

ARB seems more correct in their use of terms
 
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FrenchieXJ

Expedition Leader
A tow strap can be used in a recovery situation. The difference is you do not want to use it like a snatch strap. The recovery strap can be used with a moving vehicle to a stopped (stuck) vehicle. The non stretch tow strap will work if the slack is removed from the strap and the towing vehicle does a genital pull from a stopped/no slack position. The result is you will get very little pulling action from this type of a pull. Think of this like a chain or winch cable with no stretch and the towing vehicle gets a running start with slack in the chain or cable. The result will be breakage and a very big jerk. If something does not break the result would be like a vehicle being rear ended in a accident (whiplash).
 

Wilbah

Adventurer
The non stretch tow strap will work if the slack is removed from the strap and the towing vehicle does a genital pull from a stopped/no slack position. The result is you will get very little pulling action from this type of a pull.

Think of this like a chain or winch cable with no stretch and the towing vehicle gets a running start with slack in the chainThe result will be breakage and a very big jerk. If something does not break the result would be like a vehicle being rear ended in a accident (whiplash).
I suggest avoiding genital pulls from vehicles....just saying....🤣
 

FrenchieXJ

Expedition Leader
Thanks Wilbah!!! I missed that that one. You are so correct it hurts to think about it. :cry:

I can hardly catch my breath laughing about that one!
 

FrenchieXJ

Expedition Leader
I know that there will be people who will proof read a little better in the future.

So after you have read it about 3 time you can get you head out of the gutter.

The spell check and my not proof reading are responsible for the mistake. I would correct it if I had not got such a laugh out of my mistake. Enjoy.

I have had a much needed big gut laugh. Read it and learn a new to my knowledge untested recovery system. I have not used this myself and do Not recommend it to anyone! It is not safe!
 

Ace Brown

Adventurer, Overland Certified OC0019
I know that there will be people who will proof read a little better in the future.

So after you have read it about 3 time you can get you head out of the gutter.

The spell check and my not proof reading are responsible for the mistake. I would correct it if I had not got such a laugh out of my mistake. Enjoy.

I have had a much needed big gut laugh. Read it and learn a new to my knowledge untested recovery system. I have not used this myself and do Not recommend it to anyone! It is not safe!
That certainly is not your first typo that I’ve had a good laugh over, and I know for a positive fact it won’t be your last.


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rayra

Expedition Leader
heh. great word replacement typo. I curse my iPhone all the time for foisting such mistakes on my own typing.

Thanks for the info and posts folks. I think I've got this shopped out, but it will probably be a few months before I get my front and rear electrical plug wiring done and get serious about the winch and receiver mounting plate.
 

Wilbah

Adventurer
I know that there will be people who will proof read a little better in the future.

So after you have read it about 3 time you can get you head out of the gutter.

The spell check and my not proof reading are responsible for the mistake. I would correct it if I had not got such a laugh out of my mistake. Enjoy.

I have had a much needed big gut laugh. Read it and learn a new to my knowledge untested recovery system. I have not used this myself and do Not recommend it to anyone! It is not safe!
If I didnt do that many times myself I would have said nothing. But I do it all the time and please feel free to hammer me when I do! Haha. :)
 

NoDak

Member
I've read that recommended is 1.5x the GVWR. I've been looking at winches and hidden mounts for my F150 and with a GVWR of 7600lbs I'll be looking at 12000lb winches. Your burb is probably close to that.
 

rayra

Expedition Leader
I'ts not a lot of price difference between 9000 and 12000 pricing in the winch line I'm considering, so I'm intending to go with the 12k model. The Suburban, loaded with people gear and fluids is at least 7500# and I'd much rather have a bigger winch not working as hard or at its max capacity.

I've also just gone ahead and ordered a 3/8"x100' dyneema / synthetic rope & hook kit. I've had it in my Amazon Wish List for a while and the price dipped 35% and I went ahead and bought it. Been buying the Anderson SB175 couplings and other oddments to complete the project. I'm sort of buying from both ends of the project, least expensive stuff first. Then the hitch carrier and winch itself at the end. The synthetic rope will be useful if needed, before the winch is set up.

 

nitro_rat

On a Suburban Excursion
Go to harbor freight and pull a winch cradle off the shelf. Now carry it over to the winches. Pull a 12k winch off the shelf. Toss the winch cradle box on the winch box and carry it to the counter. If you haven't had any trouble yet then a cradle mounted winch might be a good idea for you...
 

rayra

Expedition Leader
Go to harbor freight and pull a winch cradle off the shelf. Now carry it over to the winches. Pull a 12k winch off the shelf. Toss the winch cradle box on the winch box and carry it to the counter. If you haven't had any trouble yet then a cradle mounted winch might be a good idea for you...
Sure. And their cradle mount isn't rated for over a 9k winch. Already looked, wise-ass. Part of what got me wondering if I could make-do with a 9k winch. Hence the topic.
Curt doesn't seem to claim a weight rating for their hitch winch carrier.
I've found a couple other brands on Amazon that claim a 13k and 15k rating.
And still going with the Curt front hitch offering for a bolt-in solution for my Sub.
I'm just basically pulling the parts in, starting on the small money end of things as I get the wiring and connections in place. I'm too busy with a crazy school schedule right now to do much more, anyway.
 

nitro_rat

On a Suburban Excursion
Sure. And their cradle mount isn't rated for over a 9k winch. Already looked, wise-ass. Part of what got me wondering if I could make-do with a 9k winch. Hence the topic.
I bet the weight difference between the Harbor Freight winch carrier and anyone else's is negligible rating aside. Same with the 9500 vs 12k winch. My point is that that $h!t is heavy. I have or have had Warn M5000, a M8000, a Champion 9500 from Tractor Supply and several Harbor Freight 12k's. I've never noticed much difference lugging any of them around the shop...
 
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